The Newsroom

GB News

A new TV news network chaired by Andrew Neil

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JKDerry Recently warned UTV Newsline
Perhaps, but he’s good for their ratings. The Late Show now ahead of The Tonight Show etc etc. It’s been well documented in the trade press throughout his presidency.

Colbert beats Fallon because Colbert has bite and Fallon is weak as dish water. Fallon was perfect for the Obama era, all soft comedy with very little satirical bite, and along comes Trump and Fallon fell down.

Also, when Trump appeared on Fallon, his interview was ridiculed and slammed by many in the US media for not addressing key issues and for humanising Trump to the Fallon audience.

The Late Night shows have not traditionally been intensely political, though, at least not in the manner that Colbert's show is now.

Letterman and Leno weren't interviewing politicians, advisers and journalists in the same way that Colbert immediately did when he took over the Late Show. Obviously Letterman and Leno would have a few monologue jokes about current affairs, but that was a very different beast to what Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert developed in the early-00s over on Comedy Central. There should still absolutely be a place for a non-political satire late night show. Whether or not one likes Jimmy Fallon's comedy, he should absolutely be able to do a show that is just silly, funny and absurd without a serious attention towards politics.

I totally agree that the Colbert show has benefitted from the Trump administration, as it gave his Late Show a target and a bite and a USP. Perhaps I'm spectacularly naive, though, but I fully suspect that he as a person would rather Trump lost the presidency and he (Colbert) started losing in the ratings to Fallon, rather than the other way round. In fact, he says as much in this interview! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx51IrK8mnM

Stephen is a very deep, religious man, and it is that part of him which brings his (hatred) I don't like using that word, but it is the best I could think of, it brings it to the fore, when the acts of Trump are shown day after day, especially during this pandemic and social unrest in the US, Stephen can't hide his true feelings.

You should watch Stephen being interviewed by CNN's Anderson Cooper, where he really bares his soul, especially talking about the deaths of his father and two brothers in an airplane crash in the seventies, which has left a scar in him.

As a devout Roman Catholic, Stephen too also has problems with the blatant hypocrisy of Trump - I hope I am not getting into trouble by saying this on here, but it is also this, that has affected his comedy.

Also remember he spent a decade pretending to be a different version of himself on the Colbert Report, where he played Stephen Colbert, a right wing, conservative nutter who hosted his talk show.
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madmusician Central (West) Midlands Today
Colbert beats Fallon because Colbert has bite and Fallon is weak as dish water. Fallon was perfect for the Obama era, all soft comedy with very little satirical bite, and along comes Trump and Fallon fell down.

Also, when Trump appeared on Fallon, his interview was ridiculed and slammed by many in the US media for not addressing key issues and for humanising Trump to the Fallon audience.

The Late Night shows have not traditionally been intensely political, though, at least not in the manner that Colbert's show is now.

Letterman and Leno weren't interviewing politicians, advisers and journalists in the same way that Colbert immediately did when he took over the Late Show. Obviously Letterman and Leno would have a few monologue jokes about current affairs, but that was a very different beast to what Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert developed in the early-00s over on Comedy Central.


Whilst they might not have been known for doing newsmaker interviews, both Letterman and Leno did do some major newsmaker interviews on multiple occasions and often produced some of the most interesting, insightful, and watchable interviews. Yes, they always had a comedic edge to them, but Letterman's interviews could often as incisive and insightful as any journalist, and Leno always had a great everyday person approach to doing these kind of interviews, and both produced great interviews as a result. Conan O'Brien was another who could produce great interviews when it was required. He could play the idiot, and get his guest to explain things in a way that made it totally understandable, and Conan was absolutely great at pulling that off.

There’s ‘newsmaker’ and ‘newsmaker’, though. Right from the off the Colbert Late Show was interviewing people beyond the basic ‘big names’ of politics and news - the kind of equivalent of Graham Norton having Andrew Adonis on his show, for example. I’d suggest that this was a departure from the more broad comedic base of Letterman, Leno and O’Brien.
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TIGHazard Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Um...





I'm going to guess GB News will try to have a mixture of hosts from both the left and right.
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cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight
Um...





I'm going to guess GB News will try to have a mixture of hosts from both the left and right.


I'd be careful about basing anything off of a single tweet. Don't forget that for years, Fox News actually had a liberal host, in Alan Colmes, who was paired up with Sean Hannity on the aptly named Hannity & Colmes. But Alan was very definitely a token liberal on Fox. Sadly Alan passed away some years ago.
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London Lite Founding member London London
Fox still have a token Democrat, Juan Williams who is one of the co-presenters of The Five.
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Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
Um...





I'm going to guess GB News will try to have a mixture of hosts from both the left and right.

My guess is GB News will throw in a couple of left leaning presenters, but they will mainly be right leaning.

I imagine the main difference with GB News is that there won’t be a complete lack of scrutiny of politicians that share the same political leanings as the hosts on the programmes. At least initially.
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freddied056 Meridian (South) South Today
This seems to suggest that there could be more impartiality/balance than previously thought:



It could either mean that the shows will be objective and impartial with the same presenter-based format as Fox/MSNBC, or that there will be opinionated shows but with a balance of left/right presenters across the board.
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Inspector Sands
There's no chance of them doing an American-style news channel, it's just not palatable to a British audience... well a non American audience really, you don't see much of that style elsewhere.


GB News was discussed on this week's Media Podcast and some good, more reasonable points made, the feeling there is that it's not going to be the right wing Fox News clone that some on here assume.

Starts at 7 minutes in:
https://www.themediapodcast.com/episode-142-channel-four-sale-gb-news-plans-bbcs-oxbridge-problem-local-newspapers-linked-to-election-turnout/#more-2727


One interesting point is that they seem to be going down the LBC route, but LBC rely heavily on phone ins, which are a lot cheaper than proper content/journalism.

It was also pointed out that calibre of the person in charge of the channel and the fact the main backer is Discovery means that it probably will be quite a responsible channel
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bilky asko Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
There's no chance of them doing an American-style news channel, it's just not palatable to a British audience... well a non American audience really, you don't see much of that style elsewhere.


GB News was discussed on this week's Media Podcast and some good, more reasonable points made, the feeling there is that it's not going to be the right wing Fox News clone that some on here assume.

Starts at 7 minutes in:
https://www.themediapodcast.com/episode-142-channel-four-sale-gb-news-plans-bbcs-oxbridge-problem-local-newspapers-linked-to-election-turnout/#more-2727


One interesting point is that they seem to be going down the LBC route, but LBC rely heavily on phone ins, which are a lot cheaper than proper content/journalism.

It was also pointed out that calibre of the person in charge of the channel and the fact the main backer is Discovery means that it probably will be quite a responsible channel


So much of the opinion on GB News seems to be based on Twitter's thoughts on what the channel might be. I'd rather wait for some actual substance before deciding it's Fox News UK before anything's appeared on screen.

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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
I think the trouble kind of stems from social media in a way - journalists who have been professional for years and nothing but impartial on screen are suddenly sharing their own opinions on certain individuals and policies which appear to sway one way, especially in the context of your own timeline which will likely swing one way too, suddenly brings their suitability into question. Andrew Neil for example tweeting a Nancy Pelosi comment on Boris Johnson today basically saying "What does she know?" suggests he is far from suitable to be involved in the BBC's election coverage, but I'm sure if I bothered to go looking there would be plenty of criticism of Trump too.
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
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AlexS Central (East) Midlands Today
I think the trouble kind of stems from social media in a way - journalists who have been professional for years and nothing but impartial on screen are suddenly sharing their own opinions on certain individuals and policies which appear to sway one way, especially in the context of your own timeline which will likely swing one way too, suddenly brings their suitability into question. Andrew Neil for example tweeting a Nancy Pelosi comment on Boris Johnson today basically saying "What does she know?" suggests he is far from suitable to be involved in the BBC's election coverage, but I'm sure if I bothered to go looking there would be plenty of criticism of Trump too.

To be fair there are plenty of people on all sides criticising that particular statement from Nancy Pelosi that is demonstrably false. If it is no longer considered impartial to call out those from any side who are spouting nonsense the BBC are going to face bigger problems than social media and the natural conclusion would see conspiracy theorists and literal terrorists being given equal coverage to scientists on issues that are matters of fact.
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TheSebastian
Bias is different to due impartiality, and that's a distinction worth making.

Bias is story selection, contributers, time allotted to a viewpoint, as well as what stories are not covered or prioritised.

Due impartiality is ensuring challange and other viewpoints are presented in that final content selection, and the level of those alternative views.

GB News has found a gap in market and style, where it can choose stories that it thinks reflect what the audience wants, and use talk formats build around opinion presenters rather than talking head news shows.

In the sense of the Ofcom code that approach is no different to "the pledge" on Sky News or even "Loose Woman" on ITV

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