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Paris Terror Attacks Coverage

Discussing the Breaking coverage across the News channels and outlets (November 2015)

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Brekkie
Larry the Loafer posted:
Markymark posted:
It depends. The BBC normally fade out the programme in progress, and drop into the news channel. Before the News Channel existed there would be a free-standing so called 'Newsflash' from the news studio. These days (somewhat ironically) it's often a far messier event, than it was in the pre multichannel era. A recent example of a shambles is BBC 1's newsflash regarding Mandela's death


The BBC have a track record of p*ss poor transitions into breaking news in recent years. I remember when Prince George was born, and they faded straight from The One Show into a shot of the hospital on the BBC News Channel. And it's not as if this has only been since they've had a rolling news channel. There's footage of the news breaking on BBC One about the World Trade Centre attacks. They faded to black from the end of Neighbours into a breaking news slide, announced they're switching to News 24, and the presenter at the time suitably says "we're interrupting normal programmes..." It's a little jarring on the News 24 feed when he says it, because nothing was being interrupted at the time on News 24, but there would've been far more people watching BBC One than News 24 to allow him to make a BBC One-specific announcement.

While when the Queen Mother died they had a holding caption on BBC2 for minutes waiting for BBC1 to break into their schedule, while in the meantime ITV and C4 and possibly C5 had broken the story.
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Worzel
Tony posted:
Yes I can confirm as I'm watching both channels the News Channel and World are simulcasting......
World viewers must be wondering about this different studio......


I'd disagree, E is regularly seen on World News when it shows Dateline London.

There's also various times when World have simulcasted with NC in E, e.g. Charlie Hebdo and the Sydney Attacks to name just some.

It's probably less familiar to World News viewers granted, but most overseas viewers would probably guess that the UK has its own BBC branded news channel and the studio they're seeing is that one.
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Steve in Pudsey
Wasn't that BBC2 mess because news announced they weren't quite ready to go on air at the last moment? BBC2 had already come out of the programme, but BBC1 hadn't yet.
HB
HarryB
For about the first 5 minutes of the 12 o'clock bulletin, this strange split screen was onscreen, just red with nothing on. Couldn't seem to work out what its intended for.

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Larry the Loafer
Brekkie posted:
Larry the Loafer posted:
Markymark posted:
It depends. The BBC normally fade out the programme in progress, and drop into the news channel. Before the News Channel existed there would be a free-standing so called 'Newsflash' from the news studio. These days (somewhat ironically) it's often a far messier event, than it was in the pre multichannel era. A recent example of a shambles is BBC 1's newsflash regarding Mandela's death


The BBC have a track record of p*ss poor transitions into breaking news in recent years. I remember when Prince George was born, and they faded straight from The One Show into a shot of the hospital on the BBC News Channel. And it's not as if this has only been since they've had a rolling news channel. There's footage of the news breaking on BBC One about the World Trade Centre attacks. They faded to black from the end of Neighbours into a breaking news slide, announced they're switching to News 24, and the presenter at the time suitably says "we're interrupting normal programmes..." It's a little jarring on the News 24 feed when he says it, because nothing was being interrupted at the time on News 24, but there would've been far more people watching BBC One than News 24 to allow him to make a BBC One-specific announcement.

While when the Queen Mother died they had a holding caption on BBC2 for minutes waiting for BBC1 to break into their schedule, while in the meantime ITV and C4 and possibly C5 had broken the story.


I still think that's less of a mess than cutting straight to a feed. I feel a bit of silence (maybe not as long as BBC Two had) is vital for transitioning from something as lighthearted as Steptoe to a royal death. Broadcasters are far too scared of dead air nowadays.
MA
mannewskev
Brekkie posted:
Larry the Loafer posted:
Markymark posted:
It depends. The BBC normally fade out the programme in progress, and drop into the news channel. Before the News Channel existed there would be a free-standing so called 'Newsflash' from the news studio. These days (somewhat ironically) it's often a far messier event, than it was in the pre multichannel era. A recent example of a shambles is BBC 1's newsflash regarding Mandela's death


The BBC have a track record of p*ss poor transitions into breaking news in recent years. I remember when Prince George was born, and they faded straight from The One Show into a shot of the hospital on the BBC News Channel. And it's not as if this has only been since they've had a rolling news channel. There's footage of the news breaking on BBC One about the World Trade Centre attacks. They faded to black from the end of Neighbours into a breaking news slide, announced they're switching to News 24, and the presenter at the time suitably says "we're interrupting normal programmes..." It's a little jarring on the News 24 feed when he says it, because nothing was being interrupted at the time on News 24, but there would've been far more people watching BBC One than News 24 to allow him to make a BBC One-specific announcement.

While when the Queen Mother died they had a holding caption on BBC2 for minutes waiting for BBC1 to break into their schedule, while in the meantime ITV and C4 and possibly C5 had broken the story.


Didn't the BBC go on air with it first? ITV held off to make sure they were properly prepared.
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A former member
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HB
HarryB
In the USA right now,

CNN has New Day's Chris Cuomo and Hala Gorani, in Paris along with Christiane Amanpour too
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NBC's Today has Erica still in Paris and I think it is Harry Smith in 1A
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ABC's Good Morning America has World News Tonight's David Muir in Paris
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Last edited by HarryB on 15 November 2015 1:32pm
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Larry the Loafer
mannewskev posted:
Brekkie posted:
Larry the Loafer posted:
Markymark posted:
It depends. The BBC normally fade out the programme in progress, and drop into the news channel. Before the News Channel existed there would be a free-standing so called 'Newsflash' from the news studio. These days (somewhat ironically) it's often a far messier event, than it was in the pre multichannel era. A recent example of a shambles is BBC 1's newsflash regarding Mandela's death


The BBC have a track record of p*ss poor transitions into breaking news in recent years. I remember when Prince George was born, and they faded straight from The One Show into a shot of the hospital on the BBC News Channel. And it's not as if this has only been since they've had a rolling news channel. There's footage of the news breaking on BBC One about the World Trade Centre attacks. They faded to black from the end of Neighbours into a breaking news slide, announced they're switching to News 24, and the presenter at the time suitably says "we're interrupting normal programmes..." It's a little jarring on the News 24 feed when he says it, because nothing was being interrupted at the time on News 24, but there would've been far more people watching BBC One than News 24 to allow him to make a BBC One-specific announcement.

While when the Queen Mother died they had a holding caption on BBC2 for minutes waiting for BBC1 to break into their schedule, while in the meantime ITV and C4 and possibly C5 had broken the story.


Didn't the BBC go on air with it first? ITV held off to make sure they were properly prepared.


Yeah. As the Newsflash documentary says (which yours truly uploaded, but I don't like to mention it Wink ) one of the suits at ITN was becoming frustrated that the BBC was already on air, and the guy in charge said "I just want to be ready". It worked in their favour of course, as the BBC was slammed for their sub-par job.
VM
VMPhil
Rkolsen posted:
I'm curious how do the networks break into normal programming to cover events like these? Is there a special open or countdown (which probably isn't necessary as ITV is hubbed)?

A Brief (Fan Made and Therefore Not 100% Accurate) History of UK Television Newsflashes Follows:


Before the launch of BBC News 24 in 1997 programming would usually be interrupted by a simple 'News Report' slide with the continuity announcer telling us we'd be going over to the newsroom:



ITN used to use the more dramatic 'Newflash' but eventually started using 'News Report' as well. (A selection can be seen here https://twitter.com/tvlive/status/603916231733809154 )

After the launch of BBC News 24, for the most part a 'News Report' simply became a simulcast of the news channel on the other BBC channels.



However for certain occassions, such as the death of the Queen Mother as mentioned above, there was a more traditional news report with Peter Sissions presenting from the studio used at the time for the main bulletins on BBC One, not from the BBC News 24 studio.

Here you can see the announcement made on BBC One:



And as mentioned above, someone told BBC Two they were going to the news too early and so viewers were treated to a static BBC Two ident for five minutes:

Clip from TV Whirl

http://www.tvwhirl.co.uk/tesother/bbc2newscut2003.mp4

I think nowadays however, whenever there is a major breaking story that requires normal programming to be interrupted on the BBC, it's straight into a simulcast of BBC News - especially as the BBC has tried to become more economical over the last few years. This does unfortunately mean that it's not nearly as smooth on screen as it used to be - even if there has always been people running around in the newsroom behind the scenes!

As for ITV, I think the only time they went the route of simulcasting with their news channel was after the 2004 rebrand? I know they brought in some star names to host their Iraq War coverage in 2003 but I don't think the ITV News Channel was simulcast on ITV1 much even then. I believe they simulcast during the 7/7 bombings in 2005, but the channel ceased broadcasting at the end of that year.
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Brekkie
Schedule changes tonight:

BBC1: extended 6pm bulletin, followed by regional news at 6.20pm and a shorter Countryfile at 6.30pm. Strictly remains at 7.20pm. The 10pm bulletin is as scheduled.

ITV: Jekyll and Hyde has been pulled. Celebrity Chase will air at 6.30pm, with an ITV News special at 7.30pm, with the local news at 7.55pm. The late 10.50pm bulletin has also been extended to 30 minutes.
LL
London Lite Founding member
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