Fox News removed from Sky

Apparently the average age of a FNC viewer is 68.

Yep and getting older all the time.

Loving the agism on here.

It's not agism, but actual fact.

For many years, the Fox News demographic has been significantly older than any other news channel, by at least 10 years. That's not a criticism of Fox News, just the reality of their programming.

I don't see any ageism. There's been no discrimination against older viewers - just a statement of the viewing demographics of a channel. Channels have average viewer ages, stating them is not ageism - it's stating a fact.

To be fair, the age of Fox News viewers are always seen as a negative, like how someway older viewers doesn't matter, just like how everyone blamed the older people in this country for Brexit. People also forget that everyone is getting older.

I also see so much attack on Fox News for being biased, yet always everyone forgets that MsSNBC is also biased and even CNN Now.

I just don't see how the others get a free pass, yet FNC gets the brunt, just because it's the one with a conservative viewpoint. So do we live in a world where being conservative is seen as wrong?

Don't get me wrong, but I hate shows like O'Reilly and Hannity as much as any others, but then someone like Rachel Maddow are no better... It just seems to be is because it's conservative, people want their views shut down.

I've been as critical about RT as I have about Fox News on this forum. Both skew the news to meet their own political agendas. The only difference with FNC is that it's a commercial operation ran like a Murdoch newspaper, to skew the news towards that of the opinion of Rupert Murdoch. RT has public money thrown at it as a propaganda vehicle of the Kremlin.

MSNBC has it's faults, Maddow is as abhorrent as the right-wing commentators, yet the centre skewed US news channels have been forced to become more opinionated to maintain audience and advertising share. Fox on the other hand has always had a conservative agenda and a work ethic which for some is out of touch with modern America. Not to mention the casual sexism and to this day, female presenters and contributors who still have to dress in a certain manner. You don't get that on CNN, HLN and MSNBC.

Its really about whether you want to watch people whitewashing the actions of trump, or people whitewashing the actions of putin. RT and Fox news are both as bad as each other

That's because it is a bad thing in commercial terms. If your demographic is getting older, like Fox News's is, then that is bad news because not only do advertisers prefer to advertise to younger people but it also means that your audience is literally dying off - they're getting older and not being replaced by younger viewers. You can only do that for so long for obvious reasons.

As for Brexit, older people were 'blamed' (your word) because the statistics showed that more older people voted leave and the young voted remain. That's just how people voted. Whether that's something to blame or thank them for is up to you


As I said a few pages back it's because of journalistic standards. Look at what Rachel Maddow does compared with an equivalent on Fox, it's well researched and backed up with evidence and presented in a non hyperbolic manner. When you compare the stuff she does on her show and an equivalent on Fox (like that female ex judge whose name I can't remember) you can see why it gets the stick. One is literally shouting her opinions at you, one is presenting archive footage and making a case



Fox doesn't do any if that, it has a very blatent agenda and does its own partisan spin on everything. There are times when every other news outlet will report something and Fox alone will either interpret it another way or ignore it because it doesn't fit in with the narrative. The current Russia stuff is a good example, there have been cases where some new revelation has come out and been splashed over every channel and website and Fox hasn't touched it. Other channels will report the on something even if it doesn't fit in with their supposed 'bias'.

The constant propaganda of: we are correct, everyone else is wrong. We are not mainstream, we are the outsiders is another demonstration of why it's different. Other news outlets don't do that, they don't need to

MSNBC despite being supposedly in the can to the Democratic party has given its highest profile show to a former Republican politician. You wouldn't have the equivalent on Fox

This surprises me. I really don't see the similarity.


As I say she's not some blustering shouty Fox type who's literally shouting their opinions at you. She's sitting there calmly taking the viewer through a story using archive footage and constructively coming up with an argument. It's also very well researched - linking a news story to a case involving some obscure senator from idaho in 1987... that sort of thing.

Stylistically she's the Dave Gorman of US news, your average Fox commentator is Frankie Boyle!

Quite honestly, I don't know which one is worse. Fox News and it's extremism, or RT and it's place as a Putin Propaganda vehicle.



Now in all seriousness, you are way off here. There is a grand canyon of difference between Rachel Maddow and Fox News commentators. The false equivalency of both left and right wing commentators being equally bad is a bald face lie that has been spread by moderate right wingers for years. Even the idea that MSNBC was a left wing channel was somewhat a misnomer, even when Keith Olbermann was a host. At it's most opinionated, it was barely left of centre, even though you had Olbermann, Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. Moderate Republican Joe Scarborough had as much time in the mornings as those three did in the evenings, and still does. Maddow and her colleagues at MSNBC do not routinely make up stories, or take material from known propaganda outlets and spout them unchecked and unverified. Fox News commentators do that multiple times a day. There is no equivalency here.

I may be 'off' with regards to Maddow, but like the right-wing commentators, she does exactly the same for the left. Stirring them up, bashing the other side and then when she does have something substantial on Trump, such as his tax returns, because there was no meat on it, she padded out the 'findings' for a whole hour.

Like her right-wing counterparts, she's preaching to the converted in a cocoon, rather than persuading viewers.

Back to Faux News, I had the 'pleasure' of recording the first hour of Fox and Friends online while at work. The only real bit of 'news' was the metrologist tracking another hurricane. The rest of it including the news headlines was pure propaganda. And so professional are those presenters that the two male presenters called a left-wing commentator a "joker". I'll give credit to the female presenter who at least attempted to act professionally during the hour while the two male anchors acted like overgrown schoolboys.