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Fox News airs suicide

(September 2012)

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JA
Jasper
Whilst the Studio B show was shown in the UK last night, I don't know if the UK feed was cut and whether the final moments of the incident were broadcast or not.


It was not cut, and it was broadcast over here.

Not knowing the intricacies of Fox News and it's organisation, was this a local version, or on an international feed? If the later, I suspenct many regulators in other countries would be instigating investigations into the transmission.


A/A. I don't think you can blame int'l transmission for what was strictly a Fox studio blunder.
JJ
jjne
So we could hear someone in the studio gasping at the moment the man pulled the trigger, yet the "five second delay" saw the presenter saying "get off it" for a full 7 or 8 seconds afterwards?

Hmmm.
LL
Larry the Loafer
jjne posted:
So we could hear someone in the studio gasping at the moment the man pulled the trigger, yet the "five second delay" saw the presenter saying "get off it" for a full 7 or 8 seconds afterwards?

Hmmm.


I'm still not clear on the ins and outs of what happened, but I think Shep was watching on the five-second delay, something the viewer should've been receiving. I counted how long he was saying "get off it" (because, you know, why not) and it was five seconds. That's my theory, anyway.
SC
Schwing
I find it kinda ironic that for all the stuff that FOX News has done to promote bad journalism and propoganda...


Would you care to explain that rather sweeping statement? I am not a cheerleader for the right nor for Fox News but to assert, as you do, in a careless manner that Fox News promotes bad journalism and propaganda is irresponsible. Any perceived or actual bias or propaganda on Fox News is comparable to the more liberal and equally myopic positions broadcast on CNN and MSNBC and on ABC, CBS and NBC. As for bad journalism, I would direct you towards the coverage of the Supreme Court's ruling on healthcare. The last time that I checked all of the mainstream media outlets, with the exception of CBS, reported erroneously that the Court had invalidated the legislation. If you are looking for bad journalism then you really should widen the scope of your inquiry.

I watched it live, and although Shep Smith made a fully sincere and dignified apology afterwards, it begs the question, why was the national broadcaster airing a car chase in the first place? You'd have thought these things would be more suited to local affiliates, not beamed across the world for millions to potentially witness. I think more and better safeguards need to be put in place, it's not as if it was before the watershed in the UK - it was lunchtime in Midwest USA.


Firstly, Fox News is a cable and satellite news channel. It is widely available throughout the US but there are some markets in which it is not available. This is because some cable and satellite operators have not agreed carriage terms with Fox News and its parent, News Corporation.

Secondly, Fox News is not 'the national broadcaster' (as you state). The national broadcaster - or at least a broadcaster that is comparable to the BBC or the ABC in Australia - is the PBS.

Those might appear to be trivial points to argue over or correct but they go to the heart of the discussion in this thread. Instead of people jumping to conclusions and being critical of Fox News perhaps we should pause for a few moments to think about what each of us really wants to say. If we don't get the facts right at the outset then any discussion on this topic is futile.

For the record, this car chase was picked up by the affiliates in Phoenix and its environs. It was also covered however by affiliates in Tuscon, Las Vegas, San Diego and Los Angeles. Their coverage wasn't extensive but it covered the story as it had the potential to impact upon traffic and public safety in the south-west. At this point it becomes a story of interest to network news directors and editors in New York. That said, the primary networks (ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC) would not break into programming to cover the story. The cable and satellite news stations - such as CNN and Fox - would in all probability monitor and cover the story.

It might be useful, therefore, to summarise the story for those of you on here that call into question editorial decisions without first being in possession of all of the facts:

1) The individual concerned had attacked a car that was pulling out of a driveway. The window was smashed in.
2) This individual walked to a car park at a nearby restaurant. He was armed and hijacked the car used in the car chase.
3) Eventually, the police located the car and began to follow it at a distance. The stolen car drove by a police car that was not involved in the surveillance and the individual drove towards the police car and fired shots at it.
4) During this, one of the other police vehicles was hit by the stolen car. Nobody was injured.
5) The stolen car made its way to I-10 and headed west towards the Arizona-California stateline. It was pursued by the police. About 70 miles from the stateline the individual pulled over, got out of the car, fled on foot and shot himself.
6) This all took place over 90 minutes.

This information was available to the news directors at affiliates in and around Phoenix. They chose to cover the story as this information came to light and as the story developed. From the perspective of those at the Fox News Channel, a story had broken in the south west in which:

A) A car had been stolen in a carjacking.
B) Whilst pursuing the car, the individual had driven into a police car and fired a gun at the police. The news director or editor responsible in New York assumed, quite correctly therefore, that the man who was driving the car was armed and dangerous.
C) The car was on the Interstate and the suspect was heading toward California. The police were following. If it the car had crossed over into California it would have been a Federal crime.

Under those circumstances, and with that knowledge to hand, would any of you here, in this thread, have made that decision any differently? I would have made the same decision. I know very few news directors who would have done anything any different.

The purpose of these fora is to discuss television presentation. If that is to be done properly then members shouldn't wade into discussions with preconceived ideas as to the bias or reputation of a broadcaster. If television presentation is to be discussed properly then each member has a duty to present the facts fairly and not become mired in a narrow critique of an organisation based upon media ownership and political bias.

By that standard, Inspector Sands was correct and echoed something that I said earlier in this thread. A decision was taken to cover the story. It was an editorial decision. Those responsible for the decision made a subsequent decision, once the car chase was over and as the suspect fled on foot, to delay the broadcast in case something happened. This was a perfectly reasonable decision to take and is no different to the 5-, 7-, or 10-second delays used during live events such as the Academy Awards or the Superbowl lest anybody involved should drop the F-bomb or suffer a wardrobe malfunction. Indeed, as Shepard Smith said in his on-air apology, Fox News makes these decisions frequently and filters out much of what happens so that the viewer does not see what occurs next. On this occasion, however, that safeguard failed. That is all.

Having seen the footage I am of a mind to agree with James and Larry the Loafer; it would appear that the delayed feed aired in the studio whilst the real-time feed was broadcast. I am also of a mind to agree (partially at least) with jjne; there are audible gasps in the studio that occur at the same time as the real-time feed. If anything can be concluded from this - and it is a conclusion based upon the experience of working in this environment - it is this: the delayed feed was aired on a monitor in the studio which Shepard Smith could see whilst the real-time feed was aired on other monitors in the studio also. The gasps are from those who have seen the real-time feed. I would hazard a guess also and say that the moment that his colleagues in the studio gasped was the moment that Shepard Smith realised that something had gone wrong with the broadcast and was advising the control room to cut away. If his colleagues were reacting to something that he had not yet seen then it's likely he concluded that there was a problem. Unfortunately the real-time feed was broadcast too.

I will say it again; sound editorial decisions were made by those with a far greater knowledge of the situation at the time. A decision was taken to delay the broadcast in case something untoward occurred. Sadly, on this occasion, unlike on so many others that have gone before, an error occurred. Mistakes happen. That is the nature of life and that is one of the risks inherent in covering a breaking or developing story.

If you want to discuss the merits of the story, the facts behind the story, and the editorial decisions then do so. These pages will be all the more richer for a more balanced and rounded debate. If you want to use this as an opportunity to offer irresponsible and prejudiced opinions that contribute little if anything to the discussion then you've come to the wrong place.
WW
WW Update
I've got to take issue with one sentence in the post above:

Any perceived or actual bias or propaganda on Fox News is comparable to the more liberal and equally myopic positions broadcast on CNN and MSNBC and on ABC, CBS and NBC.


I'm afraid your implication that Fox News's right-wing bias is equivalent to the "liberal bias" of most of the other networks suggests a somewhat tenuous grip on reality. While CNN, ABC, and NBC aspire to present various points-of-view, which they may or may not accomplish successfully, the raison d'ętre of Fox News has never really been to inform, but rather to present a consistent platform for right-wing views and interpretations -- in the tradition of conservative news/talk radio, which successfully plays to its audience. That does not inherently delegitimize it as broadcaster, but it does place it in a specific category of ideologically-committed news outlets, along with MSNBC (partly) or Russia's RT. Comparing it with a traditional news organization like CBS, for instance, does CBS a great injustice.

Of course, this has little to do with the topic at hand, but I just had to respond to that statement.
Last edited by WW Update on 29 September 2012 9:22pm - 9 times in total
JA
Jasper
Firstly, Fox News is a cable and satellite news channel. It is widely available throughout the US but there are some markets in which it is not available. This is because some cable and satellite operators have not agreed carriage terms with Fox News and its parent, News Corporation.

Secondly, Fox News is not 'the national broadcaster' (as you state). The national broadcaster - or at least a broadcaster that is comparable to the BBC or the ABC in Australia - is the PBS.

Those might appear to be trivial points to argue over or correct but they go to the heart of the discussion in this thread. Instead of people jumping to conclusions and being critical of Fox News perhaps we should pause for a few moments to think about what each of us really wants to say. If we don't get the facts right at the outset then any discussion on this topic is futile.

For the record, this car chase was picked up by the affiliates in Phoenix and its environs. It was also covered however by affiliates in Tuscon, Las Vegas, San Diego and Los Angeles. Their coverage wasn't extensive but it covered the story as it had the potential to impact upon traffic and public safety in the south-west. At this point it becomes a story of interest to network news directors and editors in New York. That said, the primary networks (ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC) would not break into programming to cover the story. The cable and satellite news stations - such as CNN and Fox - would in all probability monitor and cover the story.

It might be useful, therefore, to summarise the story for those of you on here that call into question editorial decisions without first being in possession of all of the facts:

1) The individual concerned had attacked a car that was pulling out of a driveway. The window was smashed in.
2) This individual walked to a car park at a nearby restaurant. He was armed and hijacked the car used in the car chase.
3) Eventually, the police located the car and began to follow it at a distance. The stolen car drove by a police car that was not involved in the surveillance and the individual drove towards the police car and fired shots at it.
4) During this, one of the other police vehicles was hit by the stolen car. Nobody was injured.
5) The stolen car made its way to I-10 and headed west towards the Arizona-California stateline. It was pursued by the police. About 70 miles from the stateline the individual pulled over, got out of the car, fled on foot and shot himself.
6) This all took place over 90 minutes.

This information was available to the news directors at affiliates in and around Phoenix. They chose to cover the story as this information came to light and as the story developed. From the perspective of those at the Fox News Channel, a story had broken in the south west in which:

A) A car had been stolen in a carjacking.
B) Whilst pursuing the car, the individual had driven into a police car and fired a gun at the police. The news director or editor responsible in New York assumed, quite correctly therefore, that the man who was driving the car was armed and dangerous.
C) The car was on the Interstate and the suspect was heading toward California. The police were following. If it the car had crossed over into California it would have been a Federal crime.

Under those circumstances, and with that knowledge to hand, would any of you here, in this thread, have made that decision any differently? I would have made the same decision. I know very few news directors who would have done anything any different.

The purpose of these fora is to discuss television presentation. If that is to be done properly then members shouldn't wade into discussions with preconceived ideas as to the bias or reputation of a broadcaster. If television presentation is to be discussed properly then each member has a duty to present the facts fairly and not become mired in a narrow critique of an organisation based upon media ownership and political bias.

By that standard, Inspector Sands was correct and echoed something that I said earlier in this thread. A decision was taken to cover the story. It was an editorial decision. Those responsible for the decision made a subsequent decision, once the car chase was over and as the suspect fled on foot, to delay the broadcast in case something happened. This was a perfectly reasonable decision to take and is no different to the 5-, 7-, or 10-second delays used during live events such as the Academy Awards or the Superbowl lest anybody involved should drop the F-bomb or suffer a wardrobe malfunction. Indeed, as Shepard Smith said in his on-air apology, Fox News makes these decisions frequently and filters out much of what happens so that the viewer does not see what occurs next. On this occasion, however, that safeguard failed. That is all.

Having seen the footage I am of a mind to agree with James and Larry the Loafer; it would appear that the delayed feed aired in the studio whilst the real-time feed was broadcast. I am also of a mind to agree (partially at least) with jjne; there are audible gasps in the studio that occur at the same time as the real-time feed. If anything can be concluded from this - and it is a conclusion based upon the experience of working in this environment - it is this: the delayed feed was aired on a monitor in the studio which Shepard Smith could see whilst the real-time feed was aired on other monitors in the studio also. The gasps are from those who have seen the real-time feed. I would hazard a guess also and say that the moment that his colleagues in the studio gasped was the moment that Shepard Smith realised that something had gone wrong with the broadcast and was advising the control room to cut away. If his colleagues were reacting to something that he had not yet seen then it's likely he concluded that there was a problem. Unfortunately the real-time feed was broadcast too.

I will say it again; sound editorial decisions were made by those with a far greater knowledge of the situation at the time. A decision was taken to delay the broadcast in case something untoward occurred. Sadly, on this occasion, unlike on so many others that have gone before, an error occurred. Mistakes happen. That is the nature of life and that is one of the risks inherent in covering a breaking or developing story.

If you want to discuss the merits of the story, the facts behind the story, and the editorial decisions then do so. These pages will be all the more richer for a more balanced and rounded debate. If you want to use this as an opportunity to offer irresponsible and prejudiced opinions that contribute little if anything to the discussion then you've come to the wrong place.


Brilliant post, I learned a lot from it. Thank you.

I had always assumed that Fox was one of the big four major broadcasters (ABC, NBC, CNN and Fox). I didn't think PBS came into the equation.

You raise some good points re: putting the incident into a broader context.

Watching it as it happened, I noticed there was no freezing of the pictures as the suspect got out of the car. So, it's clear we weren't given the delayed feed. Also, if you listen back to Shep Smith commentating, you can tell he's out of sync with the live feed. The suspect stumbles - 5 seconds later, Shep Smith says the fugitive is unsteady on his feet. The suspect raises his hand to his head - 5 seconds later, Smith orders the studio to cut away.

So, I agree that the people in the gallery were watching the wrong feed, and the viewers were given the live footage.
SC
Schwing
@WW Update

When I wrote that sentence I feared that it might prompt a debate on bias and representation. That said, I'm afraid my reading is closer to reality than you may think it is; having worked at CBS and CNN I am all too familiar with the culture and ethos that drives their coverage. I agree that Fox News provides a platform for a conservative and right-wing agenda but this was done in response to an overwhelming liberal bias presented by the network news divisions and CNN. As a registered Democrat and as a former employee of the above I have no objections to Fox News. They frequently provide a broader-based debate on political topics, a role that shouldn't be necessary but is due to the inherent bias of other institutions.

I'm more than happy to continue this debate on another thread or via PM if you wish. I really don't want to divert attention from the issue at hand, ie., the decision to broadcast the chase, etc.
SC
Schwing
I had always assumed that Fox was one of the big four major broadcasters (ABC, NBC, CNN and Fox). I didn't think PBS came into the equation.


Fox is one of the major broadcasters. However, the footage was broadcast on the Fox News Channel, not the Fox broadcast network. The Fox broadcast network (which airs the Simpsons or American Idol) is available throughout the US; Fox News Channel relies upon carriage deals with cable and satellite providers.

PBS is, too all extents and purposes, the national or state broadcaster as it is publicly-funded but its remit and position isn't as clearly defined as that of the BBC.
BA
bilky asko
One thing that is of note is that because the Fox News Channel is not based in the UK, the content rules that apply to BBC News and Sky News don't apply to Fox News - if they were UK-based, the channel would be banned.

I would presume, therefore, that Ofcom will take no action on this, seeing as it was after the watershed, and wasn't shown deliberately.

@WW Update

When I wrote that sentence I feared that it might prompt a debate on bias and representation. That said, I'm afraid my reading is closer to reality than you may think it is; having worked at CBS and CNN I am all too familiar with the culture and ethos that drives their coverage. I agree that Fox News provides a platform for a conservative and right-wing agenda but this was done in response to an overwhelming liberal bias presented by the network news divisions and CNN. As a registered Democrat and as a former employee of the above I have no objections to Fox News. They frequently provide a broader-based debate on political topics, a role that shouldn't be necessary but is due to the inherent bias of other institutions.

I'm more than happy to continue this debate on another thread or via PM if you wish. I really don't want to divert attention from the issue at hand, ie., the decision to broadcast the chase, etc.


The problem with Fox News is that it is a news channel that lies to its viewers. Your disillusionment towards CBS and CNN, having worked there, distorts the reality - that Fox News is disgusting. Quite a lot of its coverage is fine, and anyone with a discerning mind can cut through the veil of conservatism that shrouds their coverage, but some of it presents opinion as fact, and presents those lies on a daily basis.

At least they got rid of Glenn Beck.

I think a lot of people are failing to see that whilst Fox News is abhorrent, this is not one of their many failings. The car chases caters towards an audience of Americans that are interested in that sort of thing. They show court cases on TV, so it isn't a massive leap to have car chases shown live too. Fox News's error is an unfortunate one.
MI
Michael
The only similar incidence I know of is that of Bud Dwyer's suicide in the 1980's which wasn't live.


Indeed, that was taped and shown on midday news, with some freeze-framing the "action" and some choosing to show it unedited.

There was however also the tragic case of Christine Chubbock:

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WXLT-TV owner, Bob Nelson, had initially hired Chubbuck as a reporter, but later gave her a community affairs talk show, Suncoast Digest, which ran at 9:00 in the morning. Production Manager Gordon J. Acker described Chubbuck's new show to a local paper: "It will feature local people and local activities. It will give attention, for instance, to the storefront organizations that are concerned with alcoholics, drug users, and other 'lost' segments of the community." Page five of the article showed a smiling Chubbuck posed with an ABC camera.

On July 12, 1974, she had an argument with news director Mike Simmons after he cut one of her stories to cover a shoot-out instead. Robert Nelson, the station owner, had tried to convince staff to concentrate on "blood and guts."

On the morning of July 15, 1974, Chubbuck confused co-workers by claiming she had to read a newscast to open her program, Suncoast Digest, something she had never done before. That morning's talk show guest waited across the studio while she sat at the news anchor's desk. During the first eight minutes of her program, Chubbuck covered three national news stories and then a local restaurant shooting from the previous day. The restaurant was the Beef and Bottle Restaurant at the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport on U.S. 41. The film reel of the restaurant shooting had jammed and would not run, so Chubbuck shrugged it off and said on-camera, "In keeping with Channel 40's policy of bringing you the latest in blood and guts, and in living color, you are going to see another first—attempted suicide." She drew the revolver and shot herself behind her right ear. Chubbuck fell forward violently and the technical director faded rapidly to black. Camera operator Jean Reed later recalled she thought it had been an elaborate prank and did not realize Chubbuck had actually shot herself until she saw Chubbuck's twitching body.


No footage survives.

There was also the attempted suicide of a "wronged" Italian father on 60 Minuti, who poured petrol on himself but was restrained before he could set himself alight.
IS
Inspector Sands
Erm, they are a commercial broadcaster, and in this day and age, live = more viewers, more viewers = more impacts for advertisers. It's a no-brainer. You seriously think they are going to turn down live coverage of a breaking news story, when it means more viewers?

Yes but a commercial organisation can't just run rampant and do whatever it takes to make money. At some point every company has to exercise some sort of common sense or ethical behaviour.

They gambled the opportunity to broadcast some sensationalist TV in order to get more viewers..... and they came unstuck.

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Personal tragedy? We don't know that yet.

You know he killed himself? How is that not a personal tragedy exactly?
IS
Inspector Sands

Under those circumstances, and with that knowledge to hand, would any of you here, in this thread, have made that decision any differently? I would have made the same decision. I know very few news directors who would have done anything any different.

The thing is that there's never really any right or wrong answer in these circumstances. You could sit several news programme editors (in my experience it's not the director who makes editorial decisions) down and give them the same circumstances and they'd come up with a different answer.

Part of the decision of course is whether the story is worth covering in the first place. I can see for a local audience it definitely is, but for Fox News it's inclusion was mostly due to sensationalism. It was one of 2 car chases they broadcast that day so it's hardly an unusual event. I suspect it's broadcast was partially due to there not being a lot else going on at that time. Again, no correct answer

I know that at places I've worked something like that - even if it was deemed to be a story worth broadcasting - wouldn't have been put directly to air even with a delay. Instead the feed is recorded and the relevant parts clipped for air - this tends to be the policy for anything that is likely to be graphic. Live delays are very rare here in the UK

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Having seen the footage I am of a mind to agree with James and Larry the Loafer; it would appear that the delayed feed aired in the studio whilst the real-time feed was broadcast.

I reckon that's spot on. Possibly it was set up wrongly and no-one noticed that the wrong one was behind. I would theorise that it would have been more obvious to spot the mistake with a longer delay, not only would the two be more significantly different but production staff are quite used to seeing output on a short delay.... where I work our off air is about 5 seconds behind!

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