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Flash flooding in Cornwall

BBC v ITV v Sky (August 2004)

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CA
cat
AdamP posted:
And I'm saying that the proper way to operate helicopters is not to own them, but to have access to them when needed.

It would be incredibly expensive to have a helicopter for each regional centre. We'd be talking about a dozen of them, and they're not only expensive in themselves, but the kit required to broadcast live is also pricey, and having a pilot (sorry, twelve pilots) hanging round waiting for something to happen would also cost a fortune. If BBC regional centres were to do this, they'd probably have to lay off several journalists in order to pay for it.

And the number of times in a year when a helicopter is really necessary could probably be counted on the fingers of one hand. Of course in America, all those local stations who have helicopters feel they need to get as much use out of them as possible, so send them up for every car chase, resulting in loads of coverage for stories which really don't deserve it.


Well, it is clearly a matter of opinion and not a case of right and wrong.

I would say the proper way to have aerial footage is not to take two hours to hire a helicopter, get a crew to it, film footage, go back to base, take the tape back to base, edit it, send it out to London so it can go on News 24.

I would say three helicopters would suffice - one for south of England, one for the Midlands, one for the North. They can cover ground very quickly. They can be used for sports events, for street carnivals, for floods, traffic jams, etc. etc.

Fear not, the BBC will be up to it in 10 years time.
CW
cwathen Founding member
Quote:
For those of us without Sky it's interesting to see Westcountry's weather graphics etc.

They're the same 'Carlton generic' graphics introduced in 2002 and used on Westcountry, Central and HTV. Westcountry however still have their own dedicated weather presenters (and I think are now the only ITV plc station left to have them?)

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Who's coverage has been better - Westcountry or Spotlight ?

Westcountry have finally caught up today. But I cannot forgive the wank-handed approach they gave to it yesterday. Only after it became a big story nationally did Westcountry's regional news service give proper coverage to it. That's really not on. I personally will never forget that Spotlight reported this important news story whilst Westcountry Live ignored it.

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The ITV News Channel is to show Westcountry Live at 6pm according to the EPG.

And I wonder, then, if the much better coverage on Westcountry Live today is more to do with providing a feature for the ITV News Channel rather than providing a decent regional news service for it's transmission area?
JO
johnofhertford
c@t posted:
AdamP posted:
And I'm saying that the proper way to operate helicopters is not to own them, but to have access to them when needed.

It would be incredibly expensive to have a helicopter for each regional centre. We'd be talking about a dozen of them, and they're not only expensive in themselves, but the kit required to broadcast live is also pricey, and having a pilot (sorry, twelve pilots) hanging round waiting for something to happen would also cost a fortune. If BBC regional centres were to do this, they'd probably have to lay off several journalists in order to pay for it.

And the number of times in a year when a helicopter is really necessary could probably be counted on the fingers of one hand. Of course in America, all those local stations who have helicopters feel they need to get as much use out of them as possible, so send them up for every car chase, resulting in loads of coverage for stories which really don't deserve it.


Well, it is clearly a matter of opinion and not a case of right and wrong.

I would say the proper way to have aerial footage is not to take two hours to hire a helicopter, get a crew to it, film footage, go back to base, take the tape back to base, edit it, send it out to London so it can go on News 24.

I would say three helicopters would suffice - one for south of England, one for the Midlands, one for the North. They can cover ground very quickly. They can be used for sports events, for street carnivals, for floods, traffic jams, etc. etc.

Fear not, the BBC will be up to it in 10 years time.


Well I'm no fan of the BBC, but I don't see why they're getting such stick here - judging by the comments the BBC provided a much better service than Sky, even though Sky have their copter. Am I missing something?
LO
Londoner
So do I gather that there was an ITV News Special at 7.30?

Presumably with Nick Owen in Boscastle?

Was it presented as an ITV1 special or a News Channel special? Anyone got any caps?
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
James Hatts posted:
So do I gather that there was an ITV News Special at 7.30?

Presumably with Nick Owen in Boscastle?

Was it presented as an ITV1 special or a News Channel special? Anyone got any caps?


It was an ITV News Special (presume on both ITV1 & the NC) presented by Nick Owen also with West Country's Alexis Bowater and Lawrence McGinty. Surprisingly, they also had ex ITV national weather forecaster, Alex Hill on a link from London to explain the weather side.

Where on earth has he been over the last how many years ? Haven't seen him in ages.
LO
Londoner
Thanks for that SE.

ITV NC is now repeating Westcountry Live instead of the usual ITV News Network.
AN
Andrew Founding member
James Hatts posted:
So do I gather that there was an ITV News Special at 7.30?

Presumably with Nick Owen in Boscastle?

Was it presented as an ITV1 special or a News Channel special? Anyone got any caps?

An ITV News Special, unlike BBC1 with their over the top News 24 DOGs over everything.

It was also good to see a regional announcement at 7.30pm, mentioning the programme the news special was replacing by name.

It's apprantly Andrea Catherwood with the late news tonight
CA
cat
johnofhertford posted:
Am I missing something?


Yes.
CH
chromakey123
fusionlad posted:
You should have been around for the early days of Westcountry. There were some real good names there.

Sheila Brocklebank (now on Sky News)


Never heard of her. She isn't at Sky.
LO
Londoner
chromakey123 posted:
fusionlad posted:
Sheila Brocklebank (now on Sky News)

Never heard of her. She isn't at Sky.

Yes she is - she now goes by the name of Sheila Jansen ...
CH
chromakey123
James Hatts posted:
chromakey123 posted:
fusionlad posted:
Sheila Brocklebank (now on Sky News)

Never heard of her. She isn't at Sky.

Yes she is - she now goes by the name of Sheila Jansen ...


Just as well she changed her name!

Just to clarift a couple of points:

Re: Coastguard / Police / Fire or any other pictures that are deemed to be 'pooled'.
The deal is that the pictures have to be fed to the other main broadcasters from whichever channel has got hold of the pictures, before they are aired..... or at least at the same time as they are being aired. Because they are 'pooled', no channel is allowed to get an advantage by screening them first.

Re: BBC Travel News in London.
They have a paid-for arrangement to get access to the travel camera pictures. However the deal is supposed to prevent them using the pictures in news output - occasionally they do it and they get shouted at by ITN and SKY.
JO
johnofhertford
c@t posted:
johnofhertford posted:
Am I missing something?


Yes.


OK, thanks - very helpful.

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