NG
Though most people in the UK only see the current BBC World set at night - when the newsroom is comparatively empty - so it will sound quieter than News 24 did in the daytime? Or are you comparing this set with the old set when it was used overnight?
noggin
Founding member
flaziola posted:
One thing about the new look N8 that BBC World are using, it does seem to be sound proofed in comparison to it's old News 24 ambiance sound.
Though most people in the UK only see the current BBC World set at night - when the newsroom is comparatively empty - so it will sound quieter than News 24 did in the daytime? Or are you comparing this set with the old set when it was used overnight?
NG
No - it was always planned to be used for shows like Europe Direct and Zero 30 (though Zero 30 was only on that set for a short period before finishing on News 24 and relaunching on BBC Choice as Liquid News) It was also there for sports programmes and for when Business needed to do interviews. I don't think it was ever planned to be used for overnights.
The neat thing about the studio at that time was that it was possible to shoot presenters on both sets (including down the lines) without moving the cameras on the floor - you could just spin between sets. If you had guests on either set then you DID have to move the cameras to get decent eyelines.
Have the NC been working on trying to make the backdrop look better because its it me or has there been more "monitors" appearing to be switched on in that fake newsroom over the last week. I think N6 would be much better for the NC if they had totally gutted it and build a proper set for them insted of just putting a new desk into the same studio that already stood a lot more work should have gone on.
Hmm.... Not sure I can see the BBC justifying ripping out hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of Barco projector cubes after less than 2 years... This was about cost saving, not money wasting.
(I still don't think many people here realise quite how tiny the studio that the News Channel and BBC One One/Ten/Weekends comes from really is... You have to use projection or similar to do anything interesting in there - as every set in that studio has)
noggin
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looknorth posted:
You have just said exactley what I was going to say 
I liked the 1998 sofa as it was great for the in depth stuff and if a modern version was brought in it would be great for film 24 and e24/QT extra. I have heard that the second desk in N8 in 1999 was origionally there for the overnights but eventually became a discussion area.
I liked the 1998 sofa as it was great for the in depth stuff and if a modern version was brought in it would be great for film 24 and e24/QT extra. I have heard that the second desk in N8 in 1999 was origionally there for the overnights but eventually became a discussion area.
No - it was always planned to be used for shows like Europe Direct and Zero 30 (though Zero 30 was only on that set for a short period before finishing on News 24 and relaunching on BBC Choice as Liquid News) It was also there for sports programmes and for when Business needed to do interviews. I don't think it was ever planned to be used for overnights.
The neat thing about the studio at that time was that it was possible to shoot presenters on both sets (including down the lines) without moving the cameras on the floor - you could just spin between sets. If you had guests on either set then you DID have to move the cameras to get decent eyelines.
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Have the NC been working on trying to make the backdrop look better because its it me or has there been more "monitors" appearing to be switched on in that fake newsroom over the last week. I think N6 would be much better for the NC if they had totally gutted it and build a proper set for them insted of just putting a new desk into the same studio that already stood a lot more work should have gone on.
Hmm.... Not sure I can see the BBC justifying ripping out hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of Barco projector cubes after less than 2 years... This was about cost saving, not money wasting.
(I still don't think many people here realise quite how tiny the studio that the News Channel and BBC One One/Ten/Weekends comes from really is... You have to use projection or similar to do anything interesting in there - as every set in that studio has)
LO
No - it was always planned to be used for shows like Europe Direct and Zero 30 (though Zero 30 was only on that set for a short period before finishing on News 24 and relaunching on BBC Choice as Liquid News) It was also there for sports programmes and for when Business needed to do interviews. I don't think it was ever planned to be used for overnights.
The neat thing about the studio at that time was that it was possible to shoot presenters on both sets (including down the lines) without moving the cameras on the floor - you could just spin between sets. If you had guests on either set then you DID have to move the cameras to get decent eyelines.
Have the NC been working on trying to make the backdrop look better because its it me or has there been more "monitors" appearing to be switched on in that fake newsroom over the last week. I think N6 would be much better for the NC if they had totally gutted it and build a proper set for them insted of just putting a new desk into the same studio that already stood a lot more work should have gone on.
Hmm.... Not sure I can see the BBC justifying ripping out hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of Barco projector cubes after less than 2 years... This was about cost saving, not money wasting.
(I still don't think many people here realise quite how tiny the studio that the News Channel and BBC One One/Ten/Weekends comes from really is... You have to use projection or similar to do anything interesting in there - as every set in that studio has)
Thats why BBC WN should be in there and the NC in N8 I think WN would be better suited to N6 more than the NC and vice versa for N8. The only problem would be the ten I admit I like the 10s current set and it wouldnt look right in N8. I supose for the 10 they could always swap studios for half an hour. The one would look okay fron N8.
noggin posted:
looknorth posted:
You have just said exactley what I was going to say
I liked the 1998 sofa as it was great for the in depth stuff and if a modern version was brought in it would be great for film 24 and e24/QT extra. I have heard that the second desk in N8 in 1999 was origionally there for the overnights but eventually became a discussion area.
I liked the 1998 sofa as it was great for the in depth stuff and if a modern version was brought in it would be great for film 24 and e24/QT extra. I have heard that the second desk in N8 in 1999 was origionally there for the overnights but eventually became a discussion area.
No - it was always planned to be used for shows like Europe Direct and Zero 30 (though Zero 30 was only on that set for a short period before finishing on News 24 and relaunching on BBC Choice as Liquid News) It was also there for sports programmes and for when Business needed to do interviews. I don't think it was ever planned to be used for overnights.
The neat thing about the studio at that time was that it was possible to shoot presenters on both sets (including down the lines) without moving the cameras on the floor - you could just spin between sets. If you had guests on either set then you DID have to move the cameras to get decent eyelines.
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Have the NC been working on trying to make the backdrop look better because its it me or has there been more "monitors" appearing to be switched on in that fake newsroom over the last week. I think N6 would be much better for the NC if they had totally gutted it and build a proper set for them insted of just putting a new desk into the same studio that already stood a lot more work should have gone on.
Hmm.... Not sure I can see the BBC justifying ripping out hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of Barco projector cubes after less than 2 years... This was about cost saving, not money wasting.
(I still don't think many people here realise quite how tiny the studio that the News Channel and BBC One One/Ten/Weekends comes from really is... You have to use projection or similar to do anything interesting in there - as every set in that studio has)
Thats why BBC WN should be in there and the NC in N8 I think WN would be better suited to N6 more than the NC and vice versa for N8. The only problem would be the ten I admit I like the 10s current set and it wouldnt look right in N8. I supose for the 10 they could always swap studios for half an hour. The one would look okay fron N8.
FL
Well the main base for me talking about the sound in N8 is WNT on BBC 4, and remembering what it was like during N24 Tonight. Seemed to still be a hive of activity when that went out on air.
noggin posted:
Though most people in the UK only see the current BBC World set at night - when the newsroom is comparatively empty - so it will sound quieter than News 24 did in the daytime? Or are you comparing this set with the old set when it was used overnight?
PE
Pete
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perhaps you could drag another thread up to tell us your views on the BBC;s news studio arrangement. I heard you think N24 should be back in the revamped N8. Perhaps you could tell us in great details your plans once again. I, for one, long to hear them having only seen them 7000 times before.
NG
Well the main base for me talking about the sound in N8 is WNT on BBC 4, and remembering what it was like during N24 Tonight. Seemed to still be a hive of activity when that went out on air.
News 24's newsroom will probably have been a good bit busier than World's then too! (World run on smaller teams than the News Channel AIUI) WNT is quite a quiet show in comparison to N24 Tonight.
noggin
Founding member
flaziola posted:
noggin posted:
Though most people in the UK only see the current BBC World set at night - when the newsroom is comparatively empty - so it will sound quieter than News 24 did in the daytime? Or are you comparing this set with the old set when it was used overnight?
News 24's newsroom will probably have been a good bit busier than World's then too! (World run on smaller teams than the News Channel AIUI) WNT is quite a quiet show in comparison to N24 Tonight.
NG
Except that carpet is impractical in a small studio (you try moving cameras on it - it isn't a good idea) and whilst a live shot of a real newsroom would be lovely - there isn't a nice looking newsroom to shoot a live shot of.
If you want a shot of a call centre though - then that you can have. The nice elegant curves of the old newsroom layout have gone - as they've squeezed the BBC Radio, Network TV, News Channel and Online newsrooms and Newsgathering into one floor. It would not look nice on camera (it certainly isn't nice in reality)
noggin
Founding member
looknorth posted:
I just dont think the current NC set will last long I will say 1-1.5 years more attention to detail in there would be nice e.g some carpet or metal bars and a proper live shot of a real newsroom.
Except that carpet is impractical in a small studio (you try moving cameras on it - it isn't a good idea) and whilst a live shot of a real newsroom would be lovely - there isn't a nice looking newsroom to shoot a live shot of.
If you want a shot of a call centre though - then that you can have. The nice elegant curves of the old newsroom layout have gone - as they've squeezed the BBC Radio, Network TV, News Channel and Online newsrooms and Newsgathering into one floor. It would not look nice on camera (it certainly isn't nice in reality)
DE
Except that carpet is impractical in a small studio (you try moving cameras on it - it isn't a good idea) and whilst a live shot of a real newsroom would be lovely - there isn't a nice looking newsroom to shoot a live shot of.
If you want a shot of a call centre though - then that you can have. The nice elegant curves of the old newsroom layout have gone - as they've squeezed the BBC Radio, Network TV, News Channel and Online newsrooms and Newsgathering into one floor. It would not look nice on camera (it certainly isn't nice in reality)
Indeed - it's a common misconception among a lot of management and some set designers that a background of a live newsroom makes a programme look dynamic, 'now', and 'happening'. Actually, they always look untidy and often deserted (as during programme transmissions, particularly regional ones, staff are editing, in the gallery or have gone home having finished their bit).
The BBC have, over the years since News Channel started, installed down-the-line cameras in regional and local newsrooms. I think there are now very few centres which don't have a fixed camera or a wallbox into which a camera can be plugged on request. By far the majority of them, being actually in the newsroom, look (and sound) dreadful. I won't pick out the really bad ones, but the better ones are where the camera posiiton is away from the newsroom (eg Cambridge) or in a little studio of it's own (eg Manchester, Glasgow, Reading).
noggin posted:
looknorth posted:
I just dont think the current NC set will last long I will say 1-1.5 years more attention to detail in there would be nice e.g some carpet or metal bars and a proper live shot of a real newsroom.
Except that carpet is impractical in a small studio (you try moving cameras on it - it isn't a good idea) and whilst a live shot of a real newsroom would be lovely - there isn't a nice looking newsroom to shoot a live shot of.
If you want a shot of a call centre though - then that you can have. The nice elegant curves of the old newsroom layout have gone - as they've squeezed the BBC Radio, Network TV, News Channel and Online newsrooms and Newsgathering into one floor. It would not look nice on camera (it certainly isn't nice in reality)
Indeed - it's a common misconception among a lot of management and some set designers that a background of a live newsroom makes a programme look dynamic, 'now', and 'happening'. Actually, they always look untidy and often deserted (as during programme transmissions, particularly regional ones, staff are editing, in the gallery or have gone home having finished their bit).
The BBC have, over the years since News Channel started, installed down-the-line cameras in regional and local newsrooms. I think there are now very few centres which don't have a fixed camera or a wallbox into which a camera can be plugged on request. By far the majority of them, being actually in the newsroom, look (and sound) dreadful. I won't pick out the really bad ones, but the better ones are where the camera posiiton is away from the newsroom (eg Cambridge) or in a little studio of it's own (eg Manchester, Glasgow, Reading).
NG
Indeed - it's a common misconception among a lot of management and some set designers that a background of a live newsroom makes a programme look dynamic, 'now', and 'happening'. Actually, they always look untidy and often deserted (as during programme transmissions, particularly regional ones, staff are editing, in the gallery or have gone home having finished their bit).
Indeed - when the BBC moved the Nine O'Clock News to a newsroom backdrop, the few remaining people in the newsroom not working on the show (and thus in the gallery or in edits) had a 3 line whip to sit at the "in vision" desks...
The BBC have, over the years since News Channel started, installed down-the-line cameras in regional and local newsrooms. I think there are now very few centres which don't have a fixed camera or a wallbox into which a camera can be plugged on request. By far the majority of them, being actually in the newsroom, look (and sound) dreadful.
Yep - not helped by the original "dalek" specified having a dreadful 4:3 camera (even though News 24 launched 16:9) and terrible lighting and sound kit.
Then the locations that were chosen were also terrible...
The only newsroom cameras that ended up looking good on-screen were the ones that the local programmes also used! (Norwich did a nice job lighting their newsroom position as a result)
I won't pick out the really bad ones, but the better ones are where the camera posiiton is away from the newsroom (eg Cambridge) or in a little studio of it's own (eg Manchester, Glasgow, Reading).
The Manchester DTL camera is probably the worst example of a CSO camera on network TV though... It is AWFUL.
noggin
Founding member
deejay posted:
Indeed - it's a common misconception among a lot of management and some set designers that a background of a live newsroom makes a programme look dynamic, 'now', and 'happening'. Actually, they always look untidy and often deserted (as during programme transmissions, particularly regional ones, staff are editing, in the gallery or have gone home having finished their bit).
Indeed - when the BBC moved the Nine O'Clock News to a newsroom backdrop, the few remaining people in the newsroom not working on the show (and thus in the gallery or in edits) had a 3 line whip to sit at the "in vision" desks...
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The BBC have, over the years since News Channel started, installed down-the-line cameras in regional and local newsrooms. I think there are now very few centres which don't have a fixed camera or a wallbox into which a camera can be plugged on request. By far the majority of them, being actually in the newsroom, look (and sound) dreadful.
Yep - not helped by the original "dalek" specified having a dreadful 4:3 camera (even though News 24 launched 16:9) and terrible lighting and sound kit.
Then the locations that were chosen were also terrible...
The only newsroom cameras that ended up looking good on-screen were the ones that the local programmes also used! (Norwich did a nice job lighting their newsroom position as a result)
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I won't pick out the really bad ones, but the better ones are where the camera posiiton is away from the newsroom (eg Cambridge) or in a little studio of it's own (eg Manchester, Glasgow, Reading).
The Manchester DTL camera is probably the worst example of a CSO camera on network TV though... It is AWFUL.