The Newsroom

Fake newsroom backdrops

Tacky or no? (April 2012)

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EO
eoin
In the midst of all the discussion about the new Breakfast studio being a bit too small, it's struck me that almost nobody has mentioned what I consider to be a far bigger problem than its size. The thing that's most offensive about it is that it basically consists of a sofa in front of some big screens. Since when did that a studio set make?

To my mind this all started with the 2003 BBC News set. The previous set had featured a backdrop of a real, actually-existent newsroom, albeit touched up a bit and doubled in size. That was acceptable as it looked real and, more importantly, looked good. The 2003 set introduced a backdrop made up entirely of a CGI image of a non-existent, eerily deserted red and white newsroom. Halfway through that set's life the image was changed, which I thought rather undermined any notion that it might have been real. Since then more virtual newsrooms have come and gone, with one constant: they've never, ever looked convincing. I don't even think they're supposed to and I can't imagine there are many people who believe they are real.

I think they're incredibly tacky, and I find it hard to believe that they've been the mainstay of BBC News's set designs for the best part of a decade. The big screens are neither fish nor fowl: are they there to project a fake newsroom or to present graphics and live two-ways? Actually, it's both, even though the latter completely undermines the former. And yes, I know, the modern viewer is more sophisticated and probably knew all along that that newsroom wasn't actually there behind the presenters. But if that's the case, why bother with the pretence of having it in the first place?

You could point to cityscapes and say that they're equally fake and disingenuous, given that the presenter is likely sitting in some darkened studio somewhere with not a window in sight. But I think that a cityscape makes a good background because it gives a sense of place to a news programme, particularly a regional one. It reflects that the news is a window on the world, and it gives a sense that the people bringing you the news are doing so from the heart of the place they're covering (this often being the capital in the case of national news). I think this all holds true even when the viewer is aware that the backdrop is not a window.

Fake cityscape backdrops of non-existent places are borderline IMO. Really depends on the execution but most of the time I think they look pretty poor.

Now Breakfast has done something more ridiculous than ever before and combined fake newsroom and fake cityscape. So now not only are we supposed to believe that there's some kind of green and idyllic land behind Bill and Susannah, but that between them and the window there is a kind of void, in which the BBC have deigned to hang up some Breakfast-branded banners and stick a few trendy red chairs. Perhaps they over-specified the amount of office space required, or maybe they couldn't get enough staff to move up north. But I wouldn't imagine the BBC are too concerned that they'll be getting complaints about licence fee-payers' money being wasted on empty office space, because they know that the viewers know that it's all fake. So what's the bloody point then?!!! Tacky tacky tacky, in the extreme.

Thankfully, in the pictures that have been emerging of the new sets in Broadcasting House, it looks like things will be different. As far as I can make out (and I hope I'm right) none of the studios will have newsroom backdrops bar the one that actually backs onto the newsroom. And that looks like it's going to be quite spectacular. So it's good to see the BBC are finally moving away from this bizarre idea that I don't think has ever really worked. It's just a shame that Breakfast has started its new life in Salford with the most ridiculous implementation of it to date.

I hope this topic can keep its own thread as it's not exclusively about Breakfast and were I to post it in the Breakfast thread it would get swallowed up in other discussion.
DE
deejay
For a while the style was for the background to be a live shot of a prominent part of the local area, dubbed the 'window on the world'. Bristol used a shot of the docks, Southampton had the Civic Centre etc. A lot of them were also used as the regional "Weather Cameras" which featured prominently in national forecasts of the era too. Some regions used CSO to key these in, some used back projectors, one or two used an array of plasma screens with masking to make it literally look like a window:

Southampton
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/bbcsouth/news/southtoday22052000c_cl.jpg

Manchester
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/bbc_northwest/bbc_nw_images/news/nwt_090500e.jpg

Bristol
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/bbc_west/bbcwest_images/news/pointswest_first2000_c.jpg

Leeds
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/bbc_yorkshire/bbcy_images/news/looknorth_harry_frisby_d.jpg

This gradually dropped out of favour and now I don't think any region still uses these shots (although some cameras are still working and do occasionally make it to air - BBC South use Oxford's shot during breakfast bulletins for instance. BBC Bristol clung onto their docks shot even when they radically changed their set in 2005 and again a few years later. Even when the building on which the camera sat was demolished, Bristol taped the output of the camera at different times of day and night so that they could continue to feature it.

http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/bbc_west/bbcwest_images/news/2004/pointswestmain070604i.jpg
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/bbc_west/bbcwest_images/news/2008/pointswest_main2008c.jpg


Pictures from TV Ark: http://www.tv-ark.org.uk/
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
Only fake newsroom that really works well for me is Sky Sports News, because it seemlessly intergrates with a real one, on most shots it's impossible to tell whether some elements are real or not.
CI
cityprod
Most fake newsroom shots don't look too bad. The only reason we know they're fake is because we have seen pictures of the real newsrooms at various times. But then sometimes a real newsroom backdrop can look pretty bad too.

Back when the ITV News moved to 6.30pm in 1999, Westcountry split their previously hour long Westcountry Live in two. You had the new half hour edition of Westcountry Live at 6pm, and after the ITV Lunchtime News, a new half hour programme called "Westcountry Lunchtime Live". Usually the programme would be anchored by Lorna Dunkley and one of the Westcountry Live presenters, whichever one was on the daytime shift rather than the late shift.

In those days, the programme would be anchored from a soft set right opposite the Westcountry Live desk, and Lorna would be in the CSO doing the main lunchtime bulletin, however instead of using the normal CSO backdrop, they'd key in an overhead newsroom camera, that was set at such a ridiculous angle, pointing down about 30 degrees from the vertical, that it just looked impossible and unbelieveable. They soon ditched that idea and put the programme back at the main desk.
MO
Moz

Who ever thought that a mock of of the Starship Enterprise bridge off of the 80s was a good idea in the noughties.
JO
Jon
eoin, I really don't think 'normal' people are that inclined to think about the set and whether the backdrop is real or not.

Most people would have no clue on the scale and size of the a newsroom either. The designs are made with the masses in mind and not those of us who are a bit more clued up.

I was a fan of the old Central News virtual studio used for short bulletins in the early 00's, which had that newsroom backdrop and you'd keep seeing the same guy walking past a few times per update.
Last edited by Jon on 11 April 2012 5:08pm - 2 times in total
FC
FishCalledEric
Until I started to get interested in tv presentation, I had no idea that the backdrop was fake, and didn't care much. I thought the BBC News 'swrils' on theirs were pretty cool, but didn't give it much thought.
A (fake) newsroom looks a lot nice than a city backdrop IMHO.
I think the only people who actually care about this stuff can be found on forums like this; as long as the backdrop doesn't look ridculous or too dark (ala Daybreak), generally people won't care.
TR
trivialmatters
Eoin, I have to agree. The Breakfast background is so, so tacky. Have designers lost all imagination?

If ITV coud make a realistic 'news atrium' that changed angles as the camera moved, back in 2003, why is it beyond the BBC to produce anything better than the garbage CGI they've given to Breakfast?

The clouds are wholly unnecessary too. It's a fake newsroom, with a fake window, with a fake sky showing the wrong time of day. Absolute trash.
EO
eoin
eoin, I really don't think 'normal' people are that inclined to think about the set and whether the backdrop is real or not.

Most people would have no clue on the scale and size of the a newsroom either. The designs are made with the masses in mind and not those of us who are a bit more clued up.

I am aware of the fact that those of us who post here tend to notice these things more than the average viewer. I have personally pointed out on many occasions just how unimportant what we talk about here is to most people. And I admit that my post above doesn't really reflect the thought process of "normal" people, who probably never give a second thought to studio backdrops.

However, I think the vast majority of viewers are probably aware, if only subconsciously, that the newsroom backdrops are not real. They couldn't possibly be real. It doesn't take a pres geek to spot that, especially when a reporter's head appears where there was newsroom a couple of minutes beforehand. And no matter how vaguely aesthetically pleasing they might be, the very concept of creating a fake newsroom is ludicrous.

Come to think of it, I don't know of a single broadcaster other than the BBC that uses such a backdrop in its news set. I think we all tend to accept what the BBC does because it's the BBC. Largest, most respected news organisation in the world and all that. In addition to this the fake newsroom idea has been around for the best part of a decade now, and we've all become accustomed to it. So it gets a free pass. Well it shouldn't. It's stupid.

And you have to admit that the new Breakfast backdrop really does take the biscuit. Even the normal people are pointing that out.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
What I think looks tacky is going from N6 or TC7 to a regional studio that has the same fake newsroom behind it.
CH
chris
eoin posted:
eoin, I really don't think 'normal' people are that inclined to think about the set and whether the backdrop is real or not.

Most people would have no clue on the scale and size of the a newsroom either. The designs are made with the masses in mind and not those of us who are a bit more clued up.

I am aware of the fact that those of us who post here tend to notice these things more than the average viewer. I have personally pointed out on many occasions just how unimportant what we talk about here is to most people. And I admit that my post above doesn't really reflect the thought process of "normal" people, who probably never give a second thought to studio backdrops.

However, I think the vast majority of viewers are probably aware, if only subconsciously, that the newsroom backdrops are not real. They couldn't possibly be real. It doesn't take a pres geek to spot that, especially when a reporter's head appears where there was newsroom a couple of minutes beforehand. And no matter how vaguely aesthetically pleasing they might be, the very concept of creating a fake newsroom is ludicrous.

Come to think of it, I don't know of a single broadcaster other than the BBC that uses such a backdrop in its news set. I think we all tend to accept what the BBC does because it's the BBC. Largest, most respected news organisation in the world and all that. In addition to this the fake newsroom idea has been around for the best part of a decade now, and we've all become accustomed to it. So it gets a free pass. Well it shouldn't. It's stupid.

And you have to admit that the new Breakfast backdrop really does take the biscuit. Even the normal people are pointing that out.


So what would you replace it with, bearing in mind the restrictions of N6?
PE
Pete Founding member
I liked when they first had the barcos put in and used that night blue sky background.

The one for the 1 6 10 that is, not the blue sky background for Breakfast.

Anyone noting a theme here btw?

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