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EXCLUSIVE: Central News South to Close

Merger with Meridian West? (June 2006)

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LONDON
noggin posted:
The Abingdon / Newbury merger has been rumoured for so long now it isn't a huge surprise it is happening - though it is a shame for those working in Abingdon (as it was for those working in Newbury when it shut)

This larger Thames Valley region does make editorial sense in quite a few ways - and is an understandable economy for ITV to make these days. (After all they want to make as much money as possible...) If it means a better quality show for both regions then it could be good news - however the production values at Meridian took a nose-dive when they left Newbury/Southampton and moved to the tin shed - it is is pity that Abingdon's relatively high production standards are likely to disappear. The future I guess.

Be interesting to see if this has any influence on what the BBC does regionally. Is South Today Oxford a fully split show at 1830 yet - I know there has been an aspiration to split for a while, since presentation moved to Oxford from Southampton? I suspect with analogue switch-off so close the BBC won't want to addconnections to the Hannington transmitter (which is fed from an off-air feed of BBC Southampton, but was fed directly by Meridian Newbury) to allow Oxford to feed that as well and directly match the new ITV region.

Similarly although BBC Cambridge has recently had a bit of a spruce-up technically (new cameras, new graphics kit, newer vision mixer etc.) there is still the issue of what happens when they leave their current premises. A BBC Milton Keynes TV operation was mooted a while back. The perceived wisdom was that this would just be a relocation for BBC Cambridge - and the editorial patch would still be the same as now - matching Anglia West. I wonder if there will, again, be consideration for this to become an Oxbridge opt by adding the BBC Oxford region to the patch? I doubt it - the editorial patches didn't really work last time they looked at this possibility.


I know the current BBC sub-opt was considered as temporary, when Newsroom South East ended, but i was under the impression that the new service which may be launched by the BBC in Milton Keynes would unite both Cambridge and Oxford into one region, thus ending the temporary opt.
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noggin Founding member
LONDON posted:

I know the current BBC sub-opt was considered as temporary, when Newsroom South East ended, but i was under the impression that the new service which may be launched by the BBC in Milton Keynes would unite both Cambridge and Oxford into one region, thus ending the temporary opt.


The Cambridge sub-opt was created well before the Newsroom South East three-way split (and the consultation process before this).

The Cambridge region has never been a temporary solution - it is approaching its 10th birthday (it launched in Jan 1997) - but it is surprising that it has taken so long to fully split (given that Hull and Notts both split quite quickly after they were created as sub-opts initially)

The Oxford situation has always been a bit more of a fudge - it is a very small patch - and the initialy So'ton presentation/galler was a low-cost way of solving the Newsroom South East Oxford coverage problem when BBC London and BBC South East were created.

At the time that BBC Oxford was created they did consider an Oxbridge opt - and boosting the Cambridge operation up to a full region - but the editorial patches of the two regions just didn't work during the paper piloting. People in Swindon and Newmarket don't have that much in common.

Lots of people within TV Forum have assumed that the BBC Milton Keynes operation would be a merged with BBC Cambridge and BBC Oxford - but in reality this has never been stated. Speaking to staff at BBC Cambridge - it is seen within the region strictly as a re-location exercise, and a way of expanding to match Anglia. (The BBC Cambridge operation is in a very small building - with no space for further TV expansion - in fact the TV journalism operation has recently moved back into the main premises) The lease on the Cambridge building is soon to expire - and no real suitable premises for a combined TV and radio operation in the Town Centre are really available (the BBC operation is well out of town at the moment - at odds with the current BBC thinking for regional news operations being accessible - like the Mailbox and the Forum)

The move to MK will allow greater space, more resources, and co-siting with BBC Three Counties Radio (aka 3CR) rather than BBC Cambridge - allowing Radio Cambridge to move to a small location.
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Andrew Founding member
Can anyone draw a map, I haven't a clue where Meridian West and Central South serves now!

It would probably be better if the new service was being presented from Abingdon rather than Southampton, as if what people are saying is correct, that Central News South is a better programme than Meridian Tonight West

So will this new service operate 7 days a week?, with Central and Meridian's pan-regional bulletins therefore being only 2 regions rather than 3?
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NickyS Founding member
On the BBC question - you could actually see Oxford being an opt out of the new West show - people in Oxford probably have more in common with the people of Milton Keynes and Luton than they do of Southampton,
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noggin Founding member
NickyS posted:
On the BBC question - you could actually see Oxford being an opt out of the new West show - people in Oxford probably have more in common with the people of Milton Keynes and Luton than they do of Southampton,


Yep - an Oxford sub-opt out of MK (aka Cambridge) might work better - but a merged pan-regional show would be a bit odd. (Though the current opt-out of Southampton is equally strange - as was the Newsroom South East patch - which included Folkestone and Dover as well as Oxford!)
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Londoner
Andrew posted:
So will this new service operate 7 days a week?, with Central and Meridian's pan-regional bulletins therefore being only 2 regions rather than 3?

Yes, that's what the ITV press release says.
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russnet Founding member
noggin posted:
NickyS posted:
On the BBC question - you could actually see Oxford being an opt out of the new West show - people in Oxford probably have more in common with the people of Milton Keynes and Luton than they do of Southampton,


Yep - an Oxford sub-opt out of MK (aka Cambridge) might work better - but a merged pan-regional show would be a bit odd. (Though the current opt-out of Southampton is equally strange - as was the Newsroom South East patch - which included Folkestone and Dover as well as Oxford!)


My mum leaves 10 minutes away from me in Aylesbury and when I watch South Today, I find it bizarre watching news reports about Bournemouth considering how far it is. It feels like its another region all together.
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GreenMini
I'm not surprised about the Meridian West / Central South merger, and it makes sense, apart from the Hampshire-based presentation that is.

Meridian have been showing pan-regional bulletins during GMTV for sometime now, apparently because 'GMTV didn't want to pay for seperate bulletins from the sub-regions'. As a Maidstone viewer I am really not interested in the ROMANSE traffic cameras around Southampton, and there's one story from Kent during the bulletin 'if you're lucky', otherwise it's the token Brighton story for the South East Evil or Very Mad

Still, hopefully this means good news for the BBC regions. If they can now just sort out BBC Oxford, BBC Cambridge and BBC Southern Counties... Wink
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Markymark
Andrew posted:
Can anyone draw a map, I haven't a clue where Meridian West and Central South serves now!



Meridian West: Hannington
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/hannington/hannington-map.asp

Central South: Oxford
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/oxford/maps.asp

Central South: Ridge Hill
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/ridge_hill-map.asp
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RWT
Nick Harvey posted:
Charles Allen posted:
If you want to see the "King of Spin" in action, I think Ian Squires will be interviewed by the BBC during the Oxford opt this evening.

He was, indeed, but pre-recorded if I'm not mistaken.

He was also on Central News South. That one appeared to be live and was considerably longer, as you would expect.

Not a mention of anything on Meridian North/West; and I didn't watch West as I'm not down to be their duty viewer till somewhen in autumn 2008.


Squires will do himself out of a job at this rate, once he's shut down all the regional centres. He was going to make the EMTC 'Home of the Carlton Food Network' too LOL!
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brotherton sands
Inspector Sands posted:
The Cental South/ Meridian West areas have always been a problem, both for the BBC and ITV - it's in an odd place and apart from Oxford lacks identity . It wasn't long ago that the BBC viewers in Oxford shared local news with London and ITV viewers sharing with Southampton or Birmingham. I think the isolationist 'Thames Valley' idea that is proposed (and the BBC are using) is a far better solution


I whole-heartedly agree.

When Meridian first came along in 1993, I never understood the need for a third news sub-region. TVS's two seemed quite sufficent. Especially considering that the Newbury region's patch is about 7 square meters!

Doesn't "west" cover pretty much just one county - Berkshire - and precious little else? I wonder if it's the case that there are a lot of northern Hampshire stories shared between the "south" and "west" editions? Certainly there's a huge amount of overlap on the weather map.
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Markymark
Work of Artifice posted:

When Meridian first came along in 1993, I never understood the need for a third news sub-region. TVS's two seemed quite sufficent. Especially considering that the Newbury region's patch is about 7 square meters!

Doesn't "west" cover pretty much just one county - Berkshire - and precious little else? I wonder if it's the case that there are a lot of northern Hampshire stories shared between the "south" and "west" editions? Certainly there's a huge amount of overlap on the weather map.


Well you obviously don't live in the region. Hannington (which is Meridian West's transmitter) covers a large area. Most of Berkshire, South Oxon, parts of Surrey, N Wilts, and N Hants. These areas feel no affinity to the south coast, and places such as Reading and Bracknell are London commuter towns. I live in North Hampshire, only 30 miles from the coast, but again we 'look towards' London and the Thames Valley socially and financially.

The problem is that Hannington is used by viewers deep into the 'South' region. Take a look at the map I posted elsewhere.
This is why Meridian commissioned single channel Rowridge relays near Southampton and Winchester, there was outrage in these areas when Meridian West was launched.

Personally the new move will dilute my local ITV News, and skew it northwards, but I can see the overall logic. However rather than presenting the programme from Whiteley, why not keep Abingdon ?

The BBC should follow, and detach Hannington from Rowridge, moving it to join Oxford too IMHO.

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