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Presentation of the REF BUT NOT DEBATE OF THE REF (February 2016)

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MI
Michael
Andrew posted:
The arena debate sounds like going big for the sake of it, no doubt it'll turn into a show with the audience making too much noise over the guests and nobody being heard. Some Question Time's have gone a bit like that lately and that's just got a small audience.


This is a BBC Question Time special we're on about, not the X Factor final.
NJ
news junkie
BBC Scotland did 'The Big Big Debate' from the Hydro full of school kids for the referendum, probably around 13,000 ish (I think that's how much it holds). I thought it worked very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KymE_VXhoo
RK
Rkolsen
Michael posted:
Andrew posted:
The arena debate sounds like going big for the sake of it, no doubt it'll turn into a show with the audience making too much noise over the guests and nobody being heard. Some Question Time's have gone a bit like that lately and that's just got a small audience.


This is a BBC Question Time special we're on about, not the X Factor final.

The arena debate was probably designed to bring about emotion. That's the case here when Fox News (granite Americans are obnoxious) hosted them. If they wanted a regular quiet audience I would think they would have gone for a theater style debate with the padget gadget type audience response paddles that are used for BBC World Intelligence Squared Debates.
OM
Omnipresent
Omnipresent posted:
I have a vague recollection of ITV doing an arena debate many many years ago (I think on the monarchy) and it was a shambles.


It was "Monarchy: The Nation Decides" on ITV in 1997:



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/television-monarchy-on-tv-only-the-mob-rules-1282808.html

Quote:
An "egregiously frivolous extrav-agance" was how the Daily Telegraph pompously billed ITV's massive live event. Fergie has bought whole shops on lesser recommendations. But the Telegraph's bombast was outdone by Trevor McDonald himself, in his introduction to the extravagance. "There's only one thing that this country has been talking about this week," he told us, "and that's this programme!" Such self-serving hyperbole is acceptable from Des O'Connor, but sounds a bit daft coming from the anchorman of News at Ten.

To be fair, he and his pals had reason to be proud of themselves. The logistics for the live show made D-Day look like a beach holiday. Three thousand regionally assorted members of the public were in Birmingham's National Exhibition Centre, a cast of a thousand pundits was on hand, 14,000 telephone lines were recording the votes of two million viewers - all of it simultaneously. And it worked.
DV
DVB Cornwall
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RD
RDJ
Omnipresent posted:

It was "Monarchy: The Nation Decides" on ITV in 1997:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KY6HQWxqxM


Anyone would think the results were binding the way they were going on about it.

I predict that this was a Central Production given that it was shot at the NEC, it featured John Stapleton and Michele Newman and it's a similar format to Central Weekend Live though on a much grander scale.

I'm surprised Trevor got involved in something as pitiful as this. Including excerpts from Royalty experts Anthea Turner and Jim Bowen.

I presume this was aired before August 1997...
RK
Rkolsen
DVB Cornwall posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Is the BBC's coverage going to be based out of Elstree?


Probably could be done from BH, the number of counts is around half that of a General Election, individual results coming from

(a)a district in England for which there is a district council; [201]
(b)a county in England in which there are no districts with councils; [55]
(c)a London borough; [32]
(d)the City of London (including the Inner and Middle Temples); [1]
(e)the Isles of Scilly; [1]
(f)a county or county borough in Wales; [22]
(g)a local government area in Scotland; [28]
(h)Northern Ireland; [1]
(i)Gibraltar. [1]

(from the Act}


Sounds like they could bring back that giant map in the plaza where each district could be green to go and red to stay.
DV
dvboy
Rkolsen posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Is the BBC's coverage going to be based out of Elstree?


Probably could be done from BH, the number of counts is around half that of a General Election, individual results coming from

(a)a district in England for which there is a district council; [201]
(b)a county in England in which there are no districts with councils; [55]
(c)a London borough; [32]
(d)the City of London (including the Inner and Middle Temples); [1]
(e)the Isles of Scilly; [1]
(f)a county or county borough in Wales; [22]
(g)a local government area in Scotland; [28]
(h)Northern Ireland; [1]
(i)Gibraltar. [1]

(from the Act}


Sounds like they could bring back that giant map in the plaza where each district could be green to go and red to stay.

They would use neutral colours. Green and red have positive and negative connotations respectively therefore wouldn't use them for either Remain or Leave (the official terms as per the referendum question).

I believe the BBC are using blue and yellow but I couldn't tell you which for which.
DT
DTV
Rkolsen posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Is the BBC's coverage going to be based out of Elstree?


Probably could be done from BH, the number of counts is around half that of a General Election, individual results coming from

(a)a district in England for which there is a district council; [201]
(b)a county in England in which there are no districts with councils; [55]
(c)a London borough; [32]
(d)the City of London (including the Inner and Middle Temples); [1]
(e)the Isles of Scilly; [1]
(f)a county or county borough in Wales; [22]
(g)a local government area in Scotland; [28]
(h)Northern Ireland; [1]
(i)Gibraltar. [1]

(from the Act}


Sounds like they could bring back that giant map in the plaza where each district could be green to go and red to stay.


They'd need to massively repaint it though as there is little overlap between UK parliamentary constituencies and EU election counting districts and also huge variations in size - one for Northern Ireland compared to 18 constituencies yet 290 in England compared to 533 constituencies.

I expect the BBC will avoid red and green together, either as red to leave and green to remain or as you've suggested red to stay and green to go as the red-green colour scheme is a bit efficacious and loaded with green being positive and red being negative in that particular colour pairing. Given calling the BBC bias against them is the default position of every *** in politics, the BBC wouldn't want to suggest either side is the negative side - it may seem trivial or little but boy the Mail could get several yards worth of column inches out of such as story. I expect a Blue to remain, Red/Yellow to leave colour scheme will possibly be used, given they're the colours currently used in the graphics. As it's not a Yes/No situation I think using green/red would just cause a bit of an issue.
RK
Rkolsen
dvboy posted:
Rkolsen posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:

Probably could be done from BH, the number of counts is around half that of a General Election, individual results coming from

(a)a district in England for which there is a district council; [201]
(b)a county in England in which there are no districts with councils; [55]
(c)a London borough; [32]
(d)the City of London (including the Inner and Middle Temples); [1]
(e)the Isles of Scilly; [1]
(f)a county or county borough in Wales; [22]
(g)a local government area in Scotland; [28]
(h)Northern Ireland; [1]
(i)Gibraltar. [1]

(from the Act}


Sounds like they could bring back that giant map in the plaza where each district could be green to go and red to stay.

They would use neutral colours. Green and red have positive and negative connotations respectively therefore wouldn't use them for either Remain or Leave (the official terms as per the referendum question).

I believe the BBC are using blue and yellow but I couldn't tell you which for which.

I was thinking more of traffic lights.
DTV posted:
Rkolsen posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:

Probably could be done from BH, the number of counts is around half that of a General Election, individual results coming from

(a)a district in England for which there is a district council; [201]
(b)a county in England in which there are no districts with councils; [55]
(c)a London borough; [32]
(d)the City of London (including the Inner and Middle Temples); [1]
(e)the Isles of Scilly; [1]
(f)a county or county borough in Wales; [22]
(g)a local government area in Scotland; [28]
(h)Northern Ireland; [1]
(i)Gibraltar. [1]

(from the Act}


Sounds like they could bring back that giant map in the plaza where each district could be green to go and red to stay.


They'd need to massively repaint it though as there is little overlap between UK parliamentary constituencies and EU election counting districts and also huge variations in size - one for Northern Ireland compared to 18 constituencies yet 290 in England compared to 533 constituencies.

I expect the BBC will avoid red and green together, either as red to leave and green to remain or as you've suggested red to stay and green to go as the red-green colour scheme is a bit efficacious and loaded with green being positive and red being negative in that particular colour pairing. Given calling the BBC bias against them is the default position of every *** in politics, the BBC wouldn't want to suggest either side is the negative side - it may seem trivial or little but boy the Mail could get several yards worth of column inches out of such as story. I expect a Blue to remain, Red/Yellow to leave colour scheme will possibly be used, given they're the colours currently used in the graphics. As it's not a Yes/No situation I think using green/red would just cause a bit of an issue.

I really need to look at a map. Thanks.
MA
Markymark
DTV posted:

I expect the BBC will avoid red and green together, either as red to leave and green to remain or as you've suggested red to stay and green to go as the red-green colour scheme is a bit efficacious and loaded with green being positive and red being negative in that particular colour pairing. Given calling the BBC bias against them is the default position of every *** in politics, the BBC wouldn't want to suggest either side is the negative side - it may seem trivial or little but boy the Mail could get several yards worth of column inches out of such as story. I expect a Blue to remain, Red/Yellow to leave colour scheme will possibly be used, given they're the colours currently used in the graphics. As it's not a Yes/No situation I think using green/red would just cause a bit of an issue.


Perhaps the best idea is to provide the coverage in b/w, and simply use a Vatican style chimney with either white smoke (stay in) or black smoke (leave) ?
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A former member
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