The Newsroom

Electronic news-gathering

(August 2013)

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NG
noggin Founding member
1979 posted:

That said, ENG was the obvious way forward for the news environment. Interestingly, programmes like Only Fools would shoot electronically in the studio and then use film outside. This carried on for quite some time.


Yes, though news had no hard and fast minimum technical standards to adhere to. The IBA COP merely
said that 'the best quality should be reasonably obtained', which was a recognition that the pictures themselves were more important than the ultimate quality. The Beeb adopted a similar policy, and really that still lives on today with images sourced from phone cameras etc.

Non programming was a different kettle of fish, and first generation ENG that used U-Matic was a big no-no
for programme production (and rightly so) so 1980s location electronic acquisition involved portable 1inch VTR formats, and portable (rather than smaller ENG) cameras. The Sony BVP-330 and Ikegami 79 were really the
first 'crossover' cameras, that were good enough for production, and light enough for ENG use.

Wasn't until Betacam SP and Digibeta when camcorders could be routinely used for non news productions.

I do agree though the film inserts for location shoots in 70s and 80s drama and comedy, were dire. You'd have been better off using ENG in many cases quite honestly.


Yes - because the BBC didn't have the IBA COP to worry about - they were able to use Betacam (pre-SP) and UMatic as film-replacements for non-News stuff possibly a bit before ITV did. And 1st Generation UMatic edited to 1" wasn't THAT bad.

It was also pretty common to use VPR 5s (the very compact 1" portable VTR) with a Sony 330 or Ike 79 as a PSC crew (not a camcorder but pretty close)
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A former member
I take it the reports in these news stories are using ENG?


MA
Markymark
I take it the reports in these news stories are using ENG?



Yes, they appear to be.

The second clip features Sheena McDonald, I'd forgotten about her. She was hit by a police car in 1999, and took
5 years to recover from her injuries. Is she still working as a broadcaster anywhere ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3399825.stm
DK
DanielK
I take it the reports in these news stories are using ENG?



Yes, they appear to be.

The second clip features Sheena McDonald, I'd forgotten about her. She was hit by a police car in 1999, and took
5 years to recover from her injuries. Is she still working as a broadcaster anywhere ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3399825.stm


Wikipedia says she was working at Teachers TV.
MA
Markymark
I take it the reports in these news stories are using ENG?



Yes, they appear to be.

The second clip features Sheena McDonald, I'd forgotten about her. She was hit by a police car in 1999, and took
5 years to recover from her injuries. Is she still working as a broadcaster anywhere ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3399825.stm


Wikipedia says she was working at Teachers TV.


I know, but Wiki also says she presented C4's Right to Reply from 1982, which is b0lloc3s (it was Gus McDonald !)
so you can't really believe anything on that page to be credible.
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A former member
I take it the reports in these news stories are using ENG?



Yes, they appear to be.

The second clip features Sheena McDonald, I'd forgotten about her. She was hit by a police car in 1999, and took
5 years to recover from her injuries. Is she still working as a broadcaster anywhere ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3399825.stm


It seems if you look at the very end of that clip, film was still being used for same report, IE special report.

The problem with that wiki page is there are No refs and with the backloge of other pages needing sorted it will be added to the pile...
GO
gottago

Yes, they appear to be.

The second clip features Sheena McDonald, I'd forgotten about her. She was hit by a police car in 1999, and took
5 years to recover from her injuries. Is she still working as a broadcaster anywhere ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3399825.stm


According to Wiki she did stuff for the long gone Teachers TV. I remember her hosting something on C4 or C5 about people in car accidents many years ago but otherwise I can't remember the last time I saw her on TV.

126 days later

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A former member
Updated:

* Channel Started in 1977
* Grampain started in 1977 ( actually it had to come about before January 1978 as this is when ENG become fully operational.
* Tyne tees started on 10 May 1980.
* Central Television East 1st January 1982
* Scottish: October 1984, ( not fully used until 1986)
* TVAM - 1st February 1983.
* HTV 1985
* Granada started on 14 April 1986
* LWT Jan 1988.
Last edited by A former member on 6 January 2014 8:31pm
EL
elmarko
Amazed that LWT was so late. And Granada really.
NW
nwtv2003
Amazed that LWT was so late. And Granada really.


LWT got away with showing news headlines bulletins that were read by the duty CA, usually the news stories came from a source such as LBC, at the time there was little to no regional news on ITV at the weekends, however by about 86/87 the IBA put their foot down with LWT, even then their news was outsourced to Screen News, then Chrysalis before LNN started.

69 days later

WW
WW Update
Here's a spectacularly, almost scarily over-the-top American promo for a local station's ENG (electronic newsgathering) and SNG (satellite newsgathering) resources from back when the technology was still new:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLlYVIapjI&t=29m06s
RO
robbie1123
Not a lot has changed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BCL-VszJU Smile

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