SP
The audience seating is removable, they have had standing audiences for some shows
IS
Ahhh, I didn't realise that
The audience seating is removable, they have had standing audiences for some shows
Ahhh, I didn't realise that
RK
A hub ingesting all the feeds (assuming viewing it as a multiviewer) and then routing it to any of the 12 OS in any gallery. Could it be set up somewhere in the building with a makeshift hub with each operator punching the source to go to the switcher (whether being a punch panel or BNCS)? Or is the main router (what size 1152x1152 - seems to be the max without being expanded) and how big is the router of each studio (guessing 144x144) of NBH not big enough to handle the sources needed for a general election.
Most galleries at NBH have 12 OS lines yes, though there are a multitude of actual sources that come into the building and can be routed to any of those sources in any of the galleries. 12 is plenty for most output. Elections are different though, particularly generals, so that’s where the elections hub really comes into its own - and cuts the number of lines that the busy galleries have to deal with down to only a handful. At one point in history there were several regional hubs before the main hub too.
A hub ingesting all the feeds (assuming viewing it as a multiviewer) and then routing it to any of the 12 OS in any gallery. Could it be set up somewhere in the building with a makeshift hub with each operator punching the source to go to the switcher (whether being a punch panel or BNCS)? Or is the main router (what size 1152x1152 - seems to be the max without being expanded) and how big is the router of each studio (guessing 144x144) of NBH not big enough to handle the sources needed for a general election.
AA
A poor effort presentation-wise from both BBC News and Sky News. The background behind Huw looked dreadful, you can’t even tell it’s supposed to be the newsroom on the close up shot. Could they not have just designed a backdrop that matched the titles? The lighting in B also looks very poor.
It’s very telling that Sky News had to split their coverage across two studios, not one of their various studios are suitable for election coverage alone. I think the Sunrise/green screen studio would actually have looked better.
A General Election from the centre of the newsroom at BH would look very impressive. The atrium at Sky Central would also look good for Sky News. However, as you say it would cause considerable disruption at a time when the newsroom needs to be running as smoothly as possible.
It’s very telling that Sky News had to split their coverage across two studios, not one of their various studios are suitable for election coverage alone. I think the Sunrise/green screen studio would actually have looked better.
I'd love to see a general election presented from within the newsroom 'pit'. Move the journalists and all the desks out from the floor which studio E overlooks and make it into a temporary set. It would look very nice, but would obviously not be viable and would cause considerable disruption.
A General Election from the centre of the newsroom at BH would look very impressive. The atrium at Sky Central would also look good for Sky News. However, as you say it would cause considerable disruption at a time when the newsroom needs to be running as smoothly as possible.
IS
News geeks: this is what a TV gallery handling 259 local election counts looks like 🤯 pic.twitter.com/yxQux6n17J
— Andy Silke (@andysilke) May 2, 2019
GE
A hub ingesting all the feeds (assuming viewing it as a multiviewer) and then routing it to any of the 12 OS in any gallery. Could it be set up somewhere in the building with a makeshift hub with each operator punching the source to go to the switcher (whether being a punch panel or BNCS)? Or is the main router (what size 1152x1152 - seems to be the max without being expanded) and how big is the router of each studio (guessing 144x144) of NBH not big enough to handle the sources needed for a general election.
Here's a picture of MCX, the election hub at TV Centre from the 2013 local elections.
This was a couple of months after News had moved out to BH, but CCA hadn't migrated, and I think SCAR (the news master control room) may have still been dual-manning. It looks like the studio was in Millbank, and there's a shot of the NBH atrium on one of the screens too. I guess as the building was so new they didn't want to introduce too many changes at once.
Points of interest: lots screens (labelled OB1-32); lots of talkback panels and ENPS on the front desk; a BNCS panel on the back desk. Presumably the front desk would flag up sources of interest, and ask the back desk to route them down lines to the gallery in Millbank.
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slightly jealous of the above post. My monitor stack only has 88 incoming lines.
thegeek
Founding member
Most galleries at NBH have 12 OS lines yes, though there are a multitude of actual sources that come into the building and can be routed to any of those sources in any of the galleries. 12 is plenty for most output. Elections are different though, particularly generals, so that’s where the elections hub really comes into its own - and cuts the number of lines that the busy galleries have to deal with down to only a handful. At one point in history there were several regional hubs before the main hub too.
A hub ingesting all the feeds (assuming viewing it as a multiviewer) and then routing it to any of the 12 OS in any gallery. Could it be set up somewhere in the building with a makeshift hub with each operator punching the source to go to the switcher (whether being a punch panel or BNCS)? Or is the main router (what size 1152x1152 - seems to be the max without being expanded) and how big is the router of each studio (guessing 144x144) of NBH not big enough to handle the sources needed for a general election.
Here's a picture of MCX, the election hub at TV Centre from the 2013 local elections.
This was a couple of months after News had moved out to BH, but CCA hadn't migrated, and I think SCAR (the news master control room) may have still been dual-manning. It looks like the studio was in Millbank, and there's a shot of the NBH atrium on one of the screens too. I guess as the building was so new they didn't want to introduce too many changes at once.
Points of interest: lots screens (labelled OB1-32); lots of talkback panels and ENPS on the front desk; a BNCS panel on the back desk. Presumably the front desk would flag up sources of interest, and ask the back desk to route them down lines to the gallery in Millbank.
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slightly jealous of the above post. My monitor stack only has 88 incoming lines.
Last edited by thegeek on 3 May 2019 8:43pm
WO
Yep, put the desk in the centre of the newsroom. They could hand over to studio E for news summaries quite nicely with the trundle cam and maybe situate Emily up on the weather/OS balcony for her interviews?
As has been said it would look really good, but don't know if they'd want the disruption of part of the newsroom being out of action for a while. I wonder if its ever been considered?
A poor effort presentation-wise from both BBC News and Sky News. The background behind Huw looked dreadful, you can’t even tell it’s supposed to be the newsroom on the close up shot. Could they not have just designed a backdrop that matched the titles? The lighting in B also looks very poor.
It’s very telling that Sky News had to split their coverage across two studios, not one of their various studios are suitable for election coverage alone. I think the Sunrise/green screen studio would actually have looked better.
A General Election from the centre of the newsroom at BH would look very impressive. The atrium at Sky Central would also look good for Sky News. However, as you say it would cause considerable disruption at a time when the newsroom needs to be running as smoothly as possible.
It’s very telling that Sky News had to split their coverage across two studios, not one of their various studios are suitable for election coverage alone. I think the Sunrise/green screen studio would actually have looked better.
I'd love to see a general election presented from within the newsroom 'pit'. Move the journalists and all the desks out from the floor which studio E overlooks and make it into a temporary set. It would look very nice, but would obviously not be viable and would cause considerable disruption.
A General Election from the centre of the newsroom at BH would look very impressive. The atrium at Sky Central would also look good for Sky News. However, as you say it would cause considerable disruption at a time when the newsroom needs to be running as smoothly as possible.
Yep, put the desk in the centre of the newsroom. They could hand over to studio E for news summaries quite nicely with the trundle cam and maybe situate Emily up on the weather/OS balcony for her interviews?
As has been said it would look really good, but don't know if they'd want the disruption of part of the newsroom being out of action for a while. I wonder if its ever been considered?
TR
And just like that @reetacbbc ‘s touchscreen has gone. #LocalElecctions2019 pic.twitter.com/n6QaihcZZE
— Chris Cook (@chrisckmedia) May 3, 2019
aargh, it hurts - perhaps it'll be back for the #EuropeanElections2019 - if they take place.. https://t.co/ax4dsucPsw
— Reeta Chakrabarti (@reetacbbc) May 3, 2019
BA
It's a regular calculation - the comparison is made because, as you say, it's an electoral test. It's a pointless test if it bears no relation to a national election.
Particular weight is being attached to these results because the Conservatives have broken the 1000 losses barrier, whilst Labour have simultaneously made losses, instead of making gains as would have been expected.
Making a comparison with Westminster is at best statistically dubious, and frankly, a fool's game.
Quote:
On the basis of the detailed voting figures in 40 local authorities, we estimate that if the pattern of voting in the local council elections were to be replicated across the whole of Great Britain, both the Conservatives and Labour would have won 28% of the vote. This is only the second time that this calculation has put both those parties below 30%.
It's a regular calculation - the comparison is made because, as you say, it's an electoral test. It's a pointless test if it bears no relation to a national election.
Particular weight is being attached to these results because the Conservatives have broken the 1000 losses barrier, whilst Labour have simultaneously made losses, instead of making gains as would have been expected.
BC
Not much mention of that on here, but the graphics are very different. Lots of Reith.
Blake Connolly
Founding member
BBC One Northern Ireland is beginning it's own Local Election programme in 5 minutes.
Not much mention of that on here, but the graphics are very different. Lots of Reith.
MB
Not helped by the positioning of the main presenter tight shot vs the backdrop. The perspective is all wrong to me. A massive pillar to the left, a bit of the hoop ring and the reception area and thats it. Its OK on the wide shots though.
I've often wondered why they haven't just used a recorded wide shot or stitched panorama looking directly out of studio E onto the newsroom floor itself for the Five and these sorts of occasions as you'd possibly end up with better wides and close ups.
Thank you.
The blurry newsroom backdrop looks as crap as feared. Nice desk though.
Not helped by the positioning of the main presenter tight shot vs the backdrop. The perspective is all wrong to me. A massive pillar to the left, a bit of the hoop ring and the reception area and thats it. Its OK on the wide shots though.
I've often wondered why they haven't just used a recorded wide shot or stitched panorama looking directly out of studio E onto the newsroom floor itself for the Five and these sorts of occasions as you'd possibly end up with better wides and close ups.
Thank you.
CI
It's a regular calculation - the comparison is made because, as you say, it's an electoral test. It's a pointless test if it bears no relation to a national election.
Particular weight is being attached to these results because the Conservatives have broken the 1000 losses barrier, whilst Labour have simultaneously made losses, instead of making gains as would have been expected.
I get the weighting, but it's still something that media companies do, and political parties take absolutely no notice of. It's a statistical exercise, nothing more, and its statistical value is dubious at best.
It's not a pointless test these local elections, and it does bear no relation to a national election. Even when these councils were last up for grabs in 2015, the same day as the 2015 general election, The Liberal Democrats scored better in the local elections, than they did in the general election. UKIP managed to gain control of a council, but couldn't win a seat in Westminster. Both Conservatives and Labour scored better in the general election, than they did in the locals. Even the Greens did better in the locals than in the general election. You can't compare the two really. It's a fools game.
Making a comparison with Westminster is at best statistically dubious, and frankly, a fool's game.
Quote:
On the basis of the detailed voting figures in 40 local authorities, we estimate that if the pattern of voting in the local council elections were to be replicated across the whole of Great Britain, both the Conservatives and Labour would have won 28% of the vote. This is only the second time that this calculation has put both those parties below 30%.
It's a regular calculation - the comparison is made because, as you say, it's an electoral test. It's a pointless test if it bears no relation to a national election.
Particular weight is being attached to these results because the Conservatives have broken the 1000 losses barrier, whilst Labour have simultaneously made losses, instead of making gains as would have been expected.
I get the weighting, but it's still something that media companies do, and political parties take absolutely no notice of. It's a statistical exercise, nothing more, and its statistical value is dubious at best.
It's not a pointless test these local elections, and it does bear no relation to a national election. Even when these councils were last up for grabs in 2015, the same day as the 2015 general election, The Liberal Democrats scored better in the local elections, than they did in the general election. UKIP managed to gain control of a council, but couldn't win a seat in Westminster. Both Conservatives and Labour scored better in the general election, than they did in the locals. Even the Greens did better in the locals than in the general election. You can't compare the two really. It's a fools game.