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Does Newswatch = Points of View?

The latest BBC sexism row (October 2019)

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scottishtv Founding member Central Reporting Scotland
TCOTV posted:
It doesn't matter if you like Vine or not he did his job and that's what he was paid for and there was no need to belittle him like that.
I found that surprising too, especially the judge's quote featured on the BBC News article:

"The attempts at humour came from the script. Jeremy Vine read the script from the autocue. He read it in the tone in which it was written. If it told him to roll his eyes he did. It did not require any particular skill or experience to do that."

This would suggest that in the Tribunal's view all script-based pieces to camera become "unskilled" work. In their eyes, TV presenting is simply reading words off a page! There's no other factors or considerations to be made?! Bizarre.

Coincidentally, Tina Daheley was presenting the Ten tonight and had to introduce the report on the matter.
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all new Phil Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I just don’t understand it. If anything, JV was paid too much, and Samira claiming £700k from an organisation that is already under funding pressures and is having to charge over-75s as a consequence... it doesn’t sit right with me.

As with the Carrie Gracie episode, it feels like a case of somebody having an inflated sense of their own importance. A higher profile has value, regardless of gender. I’m not exactly his biggest fan, but I understand that JV is widely recognised and has an element of star quality about him. Samira Ahmed has neither of those things. A decent journalist - sure. But near on zero recognition by viewers. I thought her very public application for Question Time host was arrogant and I feel that this is too.
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Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
I guess if Davina McCall made a claim against ITV for Ant & Dec getting paid more per hour for similar work, they could use advertising revenues as justification. The BBC just doesn’t have any means to quantify one presenters importance against another.

In this case most of us realise why the difference in their pay was fair, but it’s clearly not easy to quantify in a court which doesn’t seem to be able to read between the lines.

If happened to be that Anne Robinson had returned to Points of View when Terry Wogan left, Samira Ahmed would be the best part of million pounds poorer tonight.
Last edited by Jon on 11 January 2020 1:02am - 2 times in total
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
The trouble with all this is it fails to consider whether Jeremy Vine was paid a fair wage. Samira wasn't underpaid - Jeremy was overpaid, and that was down to his agent rather than his gender.

Samira's daily rate compared favourably with presenters on the news channel, reported to be on £92k a year IIRC. Based on a 4 day week it works out about the same.

It is the major issue though with the tribunal system - it is all framed around the claimants complaint even where that wasn't even a factor in the decision made by the respondent.
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
Justin and all new Phil gave kudos
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harshy Founding member
92k for being on for 15 minutes, that’s shocking.
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Cusack Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Presumably Mark Chapman will now be expected to be on the same salary as Gary Lineker, as they both present one MOTD per week?

Jim and Becky at Breakfast on BBC Radio Local should get the same as Zoe Ball?

This claim can't go to the tribunal though because you can only claim male Vs female or female Vs male.
Every BBC local radio breakfast show presenter demanding the same money as Zoe Ball... it's a can of worms.


Isn't the defence here that local radio presenters will be paid within a different scale to national and that as long as that is comparable between male and female presenters a case could be defended?


But surely someone presenting a show on BBC News is different to someone presenting a show on BBC 1, so what's the difference between local and national radio after this ruling?
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Pete Founding member North Reporting Scotland
However baring in mind Newswatch hasn't been properly Reith'd titles wise and the endboard still has an old knocked off BBC News Gill logo, I think the show's days are numbered anyway.


I mean that's the Galaxy Brain takeaway from this whole case right there.

This would suggest that in the Tribunal's view all script-based pieces to camera become "unskilled" work. In their eyes, TV presenting is simply reading words off a page! There's no other factors or considerations to be made?! Bizarre.


I read it as "no particular additional skill than would be expected of a competent tv presenter".
ELM 2011: I am sick of been persicuted by you immature TV Forumers!
ittrgrey and scottishtv gave kudos
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scottishtv Founding member Central Reporting Scotland
Pete posted:
I read it as "no particular additional skill than would be expected of a competent tv presenter".

Ah, fair point.
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itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
If Newswatch and/or Samira Ahmed does get axed, then I think it's highly likely she will struggle to find another role in the industry. I can't see any employer being desperate to take her on after this. I'm all for gender equality but this reeks of opportunism.
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Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
If Newswatch and/or Samira Ahmed does get axed, then I think it's highly likely she will struggle to find another role in the industry. I can't see any employer being desperate to take her on after this. I'm all for gender equality but this reeks of opportunism.


Well her proper day job is Front Row on Radio 4, so if she hangs on to that, I'm sure she'll trundle along. Carrie Gracie is still working for the Beeb.
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Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
If Newswatch and/or Samira Ahmed does get axed, then I think it's highly likely she will struggle to find another role in the industry. I can't see any employer being desperate to take her on after this. I'm all for gender equality but this reeks of opportunism.

She can retire now.
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ginnyfan World News
Well BBC will have to find something for her or she'll create a mess for them again. Her and Gracie are safe for life there, now. They might as well give them a show together. Zipper

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