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Does Newswatch = Points of View?

The latest BBC sexism row (October 2019)

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JO
Jon
JamesWorldNews posted:
Markymark posted:
Brekkie posted:
The question is whether legally they should.


Oh, I don't disagree, painful times ahead perhaps !

It's arguably a form of 'market forces' !


Yes. I think you’re right, Mark. There will be painful times ahead. There isn’t really any other solution to a problem that is decades old.

What problem?
BR
Brekkie
bbpro posted:
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but surely another factor is the budget for the programmes and which pot of funding the programme falls under.

I’m pretty sure that Points Of View is made by BBC Studios so will have their own overall spending budget whereas Newswatch is a BBC News production so falls under a completely different budget.

Exactly. If BBC News had to match what BBC Studios spent on Newswatch then they'd simply axe it.
JW
JamesWorldNews
The “inadvertent” revelation by the BBC of a list of 120 BBC Women who have raised complaints about their pay, much of which has not come to the public eye yet, is covered in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/31/bbc-error-reveals-names-of-120-women-who-sought-equal-pay

Some say “not” inadvertent at all!

Jon: the “problem” I’m referring to is the unfair treatment of women and gender pay gap at the BBC for decades.
MI
m_in_m
JamesWorldNews posted:
The “inadvertent” revelation by the BBC of a list of 120 BBC Women who have raised complaints about their pay, much of which has not come to the public eye yet, is covered in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/31/bbc-error-reveals-names-of-120-women-who-sought-equal-pay

Some say “not” inadvertent at all!

I am confused. The article is very unclear on who released the information. It seems to me that the NUJ included it in their submission to the tribunal so surely it is their responsibility to redact?
CA
Cando
JamesWorldNews posted:
Charlie Wells posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
It's interesting that the BBC are using the argument that Newswatch is little more than a cheap programme to fill up the schedules, that's exactly what PoV was invented to be, to fill up the rest of an hour after a US import had the ad breaks taken out.

If I recall correctly it was set up in the aftermath of the Hutton report.

If the case goes in favour of Samira I imagine the ramifications could be significant, no just limited to the BBC. For example could BBC radio presenters theoretically demand to be paid the same as another radio presenter who hosts a programme of similar length on a different BBC radio station?


In wider industry, that’s why organizations have grading structures, compensation and benefit policies and quartiles of pay which are applied across the entire organization regardless of race, gender, etc etc. And in most industries, exceptions are genuinely exceptions. Why should broadcast media operate differently? (..)

They don't, the BBC has all those structures.
The question here is does Newswatch have the same status as POV?
JO
Jon
JamesWorldNews posted:
Jon: the “problem” I’m referring to is the unfair treatment of women and gender pay gap at the BBC for decades.

The host of Newswatch getting paid considerably less than the host of Points of View is not a gender pay gap issue.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Especially when the current female host of Newswatch is paid the same as the previous male host of Newswatch.
Charlesy, Ittr and itsrobert gave kudos
JO
Jon
The whole thing is either at best arrogance or at worse blatant opportunism. The fact Carrie Gracie is supporting this case doesn’t do her position any credit either. Because it either means she’s also very stupid (in this regard) or she’s also acted in a very opportunistic way to take advantage of the political climate in this area.

69 days later

WH
what
The employment tribunal has found unanimously in Samira Ahmed’s favour.
NE
News96
Interesting!
SP
Steve in Pudsey
That seems to open a lot of floodgates...
JO
Jon
Ridiculous.

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