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(June 2005)

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JH
Jonathan H
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I seem to recall this being the reason why you the regions can't soft-opt on digital and do a hard cut at the opt point. The digital opt happens when the tally light for the network feed goes out from the local mixer. Therefore you can't do any transitions without it looking crap on digital.


I think you may have your wires crossed! Regional opt points are not cued from tally lights, at least not in my experience. They are normally manual. Perhaps I've misunderstood you!
JH
Jonathan H
Marcus posted:
Kaplinsky posted:
Is it true that news broadcasts are timed to the second? If so, why?


Depends which ones. Main domestic news can overrun.


True, but that doesn't mean they aren't timed to the second like any live programme, news or otherwise. There is an air-time slot from transmission and you gotta get in at the right point and out at the right point. What you do in between is largely up to you!
WO
Whoosh Opt
Jonathan H posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I seem to recall this being the reason why you the regions can't soft-opt on digital and do a hard cut at the opt point. The digital opt happens when the tally light for the network feed goes out from the local mixer. Therefore you can't do any transitions without it looking crap on digital.


I think you may have your wires crossed! Regional opt points are not cued from tally lights, at least not in my experience. They are normally manual. Perhaps I've misunderstood you!

No, I think Steve *does* know what he's talking about - regions DO soft opt on analogue - ideally on the still frame at the end of a programme or a cut into the last VT package in the Network News, so the opt is 'invisible/inaudible'.

For Digital the MPEG streams are switched between the digital network feed and the regional studio as a CUT, when a) The Opt button is enabled [analogue is soft-opted] and b) Network isn't cut up on the region's mixer - so indeed effectively controlled by the tally on the regional mixer.
MA
Marcus Founding member
Jonathan H posted:
Marcus posted:
Kaplinsky posted:
Is it true that news broadcasts are timed to the second? If so, why?


Depends which ones. Main domestic news can overrun.


True, but that doesn't mean they aren't timed to the second like any live programme, news or otherwise. There is an air-time slot from transmission and you gotta get in at the right point and out at the right point. What you do in between is largely up to you!


I mean that they can always ask pres for an extra 15 seconds, or two minutes when in dire straites. Something not available to the regions or World
TE
Telefis
In such as case (as often happens by all accounts) is it literally a case of the PA picking up the phone in the gallery and telling Pres what they need?
DE
denton
Telefís posted:
In such as case (as often happens by all accounts) is it literally a case of the PA picking up the phone in the gallery and telling Pres what they need?


Asking... not telling. And that doesn't mean that they'll get it.
TE
Telefis
Just knew someone would highlight that use of words Smile
JH
Jonathan H
Whoosh Opt posted:
Jonathan H posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I seem to recall this being the reason why you the regions can't soft-opt on digital and do a hard cut at the opt point. The digital opt happens when the tally light for the network feed goes out from the local mixer. Therefore you can't do any transitions without it looking crap on digital.


I think you may have your wires crossed! Regional opt points are not cued from tally lights, at least not in my experience. They are normally manual. Perhaps I've misunderstood you!

No, I think Steve *does* know what he's talking about - regions DO soft opt on analogue - ideally on the still frame at the end of a programme or a cut into the last VT package in the Network News, so the opt is 'invisible/inaudible'.

For Digital the MPEG streams are switched between the digital network feed and the regional studio as a CUT, when a) The Opt button is enabled [analogue is soft-opted] and b) Network isn't cut up on the region's mixer - so indeed effectively controlled by the tally on the regional mixer.


I never said that Steve didn't know what he was talking about. I just wondered whether we were talking at cross purposes, and perhaps we were. I think you may be referring to the point at which regions effectively 'take' the network feed in order to be able to cut from it at the opt-in point, in which case that makes sense.

I was referring to the actual opt-in point for the regions from the network. This (in my experience) can sometimes be a hard count to a specific time, but is often a manual opt cued in.
DO
dodrade
Telefís posted:
:DWell on RTÉ News once Eileen Dunne was 'chatting' to the other newsreader during the opening wide and the sound was faded up too early and all she was saying was 'blah blah blah blah' Very Happy


I often suspected that in many cases its to make the presenters look matey. i wouldn't be surprised if half of them hate each other and walk off the minute the cameras finish rolling.
DA
Dan Founding member
denton posted:
Telefís posted:
In such as case (as often happens by all accounts) is it literally a case of the PA picking up the phone in the gallery and telling Pres what they need?


Asking... not telling. And that doesn't mean that they'll get it.


Indeed and also there's no need to 'phone as a news gallery will usually be on open talkback to the pres suite meaning the channel director can hear everything going on in the gallery.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Jonathan H posted:

I never said that Steve didn't know what he was talking about. I just wondered whether we were talking at cross purposes, and perhaps we were. I think you may be referring to the point at which regions effectively 'take' the network feed in order to be able to cut from it at the opt-in point, in which case that makes sense.

I was referring to the actual opt-in point for the regions from the network. This (in my experience) can sometimes be a hard count to a specific time, but is often a manual opt cued in.


But at the point when the opt is cued, the tally light going out on the network feed on the regional mixer is what causes the opt to happen, I think.
NG
noggin Founding member
Jonathan H posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I seem to recall this being the reason why you the regions can't soft-opt on digital and do a hard cut at the opt point. The digital opt happens when the tally light for the network feed goes out from the local mixer. Therefore you can't do any transitions without it looking crap on digital.


I think you may have your wires crossed! Regional opt points are not cued from tally lights, at least not in my experience. They are normally manual. Perhaps I've misunderstood you!


In most BBC One English regions (possibly Hull not Hull) - the DTT opt-out is a hard-opt triggered (via a delay for the switch and the studio out video) by the red light/tally on the network source on the vision mixer going off when the analogue soft-opt happens.

Therefore the analogue opt (which is usually soft) is manually triggered - the opt on digital is slaved to the analogue opt, and triggered by the network BBC One feed tally/red light disappearing.

If the analogue opt was a mix then the digital opt would be nasty as it would happen at the end of the mix - not the beginning as the opt-out would be triggered when the network feed tally goes out (which wouldn't be until the end of the opt)

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