The Newsroom

The Cuts - Spending Review Coverage

Licence fee freeze for 6 years, World Service funding withdrawn ? (October 2010)

This site closed in March 2021 and is now a read-only archive
BR
Brekkie
£272m to run World Service. OK, I know it's in several languages and I suspect further localised changes too, but seems a hefty bill. I guess though either way the UK taxpayer is paying, unless of course it's moved across to BBC Worldwide and at least in part funded by advertising.


Anyway, let's see the Tories do more damage to the country in one day tomorrow than Gordon Brown did over a decade. Quick question, but are these cuts all set in stone once announced or will they actually go through a democratic process of being voted on over the coming weeks.
HO
House
£272m to run World Service. OK, I know it's in several languages and I suspect further localised changes too, but seems a hefty bill. I guess though either way the UK taxpayer is paying, unless of course it's moved across to BBC Worldwide and at least in part funded by advertising.


Anyway, let's see the Tories do more damage to the country in one day tomorrow than Gordon Brown did over a decade. Quick question, but are these cuts all set in stone once announced or will they actually go through a democratic process of being voted on over the coming weeks.


Even if Parliament votes on it, it'll go through. The Lib Dems seem to veto and reject very little, if anything at all. I'd like to see how they would have voted had it been the last government proposing such a move.
BR
breakingnews

Well whatever. It began as a station that was only available to a few.

So you really think the vast amount of money spent on the BBC News Channel is justified? All those presenters and reporters...does it really need all them.


What the heck are you on about? Going by that logic, your beloved Sky News is exactly the same - did it not start off on the Sky analogue satellite platform when hardly anybody had access to it? It may be on Freeview now, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's pulled off in the future, leaving it on just Sky and Virgin.

If you think that the BBC News Channel doesn't contribute to the BBC's public service remit, then you're very uninformed. Why shouldn't the BBC provide an impartial, high quality rolling news channel to allow viewers to follow news stories in more depth and watch news as it happens, such as press conferences and speeches? One of the BBC's most important tasks is to infom the public about current affairs in an impartial manner. What's more, Lee is absolutely right - the future of TV news is rolling news channels. As dedicated channels become more readily available with DSO, I can envisage a time when mixed channels like BBC1 and ITV1 which include a wide range of programming, including news, will not be needed any more, making the BBC News Channel a key player in the future.

As for all the BBC presenters and reporters being a waste of money, that is totally false. You do realise that they are very often serving more than one BBC outlet? For instance, one reporter might be working on the BBC News Channel, BBC World News and the BBC National News, not to mention radio reports and articles on BBC News Online.


Sky was a commercial station, it's not a fair comparison. My basic point was that if it was a set up for public service, why was it only available to some and not all?

Beloved Sky News?? Where are you getting that from. Childish.

I really find it bizarre that people stick up for the BBC when there are clearly areas where they could cut back..one of them being the BBC News Channel.

Let's see if the news channel was scrapped tomorrow. We would still have a 3 hour breakfast programme on BBC1. Hourly updates throughout the morning - Lunchtime news at 1 - Update at 3 - Early Evening news at 6 - Update at 8 - Evening news at 10 - Newsnight t 10.30. Not to mention, BBC2 coverage of all things political, including PMQs. Any state event, major story will be covered by BBC1.

Yes the sky won't fall in the BBC News Channel goes.

The BBC News Channel does not always act on the basis of public service. More often than not, it cover stories that would not be regarded as public service - the Moat case recently and the Madeleine story. Seemed like to me, they just wanted to steal viewers from Sky News.
Last edited by breakingnews on 19 October 2010 10:52pm
WE
Westy2
I have SKY but can't stand SKY News.

Prefer the Beeb.
AN
Andrew Founding member
I can think of many things that the BBC could axe to save money (BBC Three, BBC Radio 1Xtra, BBC Switch, very overly-commercialised programming on BBC1) but the BBC News Channel isn't one of them. BBC News is one of the most important things that the BBC does.
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
Hmm, so regardless of the virtues of the BBC News Channel, and it's public service credentials Rolling Eyes , I'm wondering what impact a 6 year freeze on the licence fee, and the funding of these additional commitments are likely to have on screen.

Further erosion of sports rights, channel closures, high profile programme axing, letting go of more talent ?
DS
Dan S
If the BBC News Channel was to be axed (heaven forbid Shocked ) what would happen to all it's presenters? And it's top-of-the-hour countdowns?!
BR
Brekkie
Sky was a commercial station, it's not a fair comparison. My basic point was that if it was a set up for public service, why was it only available to some and not all?

Your logic is 13 years out of date, but seemingly as you want a media ran exclusively by Mr Murdoch your thinking is probably rather in line with the current government.


One thing not mentioned so far here that I've seen is the idea the BBC will fund the rollout of broadband in rural areas. Now, how exactly is that in their remit? World Service and S4C you can make a case for - but the BBC should be no more expected to foot the bill for broadband roll out than they should for say ensuring mobile reception in rural areas.
NG
noggin Founding member
I can think of many things that the BBC could axe to save money (BBC Three, BBC Radio 1Xtra, BBC Switch, very overly-commercialised programming on BBC1) but the BBC News Channel isn't one of them. BBC News is one of the most important things that the BBC does.


BBC Switch has already been axed hasn't it? Wasn't it announced as a closure along with BBC Blast, BBC 6Music and the BBC Asian Network? BBC 6Music is now reprieved - but I didn't think the other services were.
PE
Pete Founding member
Wow I've hit a nerve. Talk about getting personal. Continued childishness - rather than deal with the points I raised. The justification of the BBC News Channel... Now do you want to address the matter or concentrate on me saying whatever.


Excuse me but if anyone is being childish it is you. You were the one who replied to a counterargument with "whatever" and the complaint that "it was only available to a few when launched" can equally apply to BBC2, BBC1 and for that matter, Sky News so yet another one of your main point is moot.

You've failed to convince anyone of any good reason why there should not be a BBC 24 hour news channel. If News exists elsewhere then why is there a Sky channel? They have bulletins on Channel Five do they not?
NG
noggin Founding member
House posted:
If the license fee payers are to pay for the World division, this presumably includes World News?


Nope - the continued misunderstanding of the difference between BBC World Service services (BBC World Service Radio services, BBC Arabic TV, BBC Persian TV etc.) and BBC World News and other commercial services continues.

BBC World Service services are funded - currently - by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. This means that they are currently neither funded by the licence fee NOR by commercial advertising, sponsorship and direct syndication. The reported proposal is for the BBC World Service FCO funding to be replaced by licence fee funding.

BBC World News - the international TV channel - is funded differently. It is not funded directly by the licence fee, nor is it FCO funded. It is funded by commercial advertising, sponsorship and some syndication fees I believe, along with some subscription revenue on some platforms. It may also make a loss...

BBC World News - in turn - pay the BBC News division to make their news programmes I believe, and they also purchase/license content from BBC Worldwide for broadcast.

Quote:

If so I don't see license fee payers should be paying for a channel and service they cannot access - would producing "World News" bulletins between 10pm and 1am, for example, when fewer amounts of UK-centric breaking news comes in? That would save a little money, surely, even if it did mean the loss of UK business, sports and papers review segments?


They won't be. BBC World News (the TV service) is not part of the FCO - possibly soon licence-fee - funded BBC World Service operation. They may be part of the same BBC International division - but they are separately funded.

(And I suspect I'm going to get VERY annoyed by the continued confusion between the noun 'licence' and the verb 'to license'...)
BR
breakingnews
Sky was a commercial station, it's not a fair comparison. My basic point was that if it was a set up for public service, why was it only available to some and not all?

Your logic is 13 years out of date, but seemingly as you want a media ran exclusively by Mr Murdoch your thinking is probably rather in line with the current government.
One thing not mentioned so far here that I've seen is the idea the BBC will fund the rollout of broadband in rural areas. Now, how exactly is that in their remit? World Service and S4C you can make a case for - but the BBC should be no more expected to foot the bill for broadband roll out than they should for say ensuring mobile reception in rural areas.


This is getting ridiculous.

I'm not advocating the abolition of the BBC, I just don't see a need for the BBC News Channel. BBC1 and 2 do a great job and did a great job right up until 1997. Who knows, maybe the ITV News Channel would have survived if the BBC News Channel wasn't there, with it's unfair advantage.

Newer posts