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Current non-linear editing software?

(March 2005)

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JH
Jonathan H
noggin posted:
Jonathan H posted:
No doubt Noggin will help here, but I fear things are not a straightforward as that, although I did think that with Sony's 24P HDCAM system you could derive almost any combination of resolution, frequency rate and progressive or interlaced picture from the one tape.


HDCam is a compressed digital VTR format - originally designed for 1080/60i and 1080/50i interlaced HD - which is itself a tweak of the original Japanese HD standard in use since the late 80s. Sony then tweaked the standard to add "segmented frame" recording - where a 24/25/30p signal could be converted internally (but with no vertical filtering) to a 48/50/60i signal for recording on tape, converted back (losslessly) to a 24/25/30p signal for replay.


Ah, OK. It was the fact that the effective frame rate was convertible (as opposed to the resolution) that I was remembering then. It's a while since I've seen an HDCam unit, but I remember Sony pushing it as a format to be used on high-end drama that could be sold abroad in 30fps, 24fps or 25fps formats.
NG
noggin Founding member
Jonathan H posted:
noggin posted:
Jonathan H posted:
No doubt Noggin will help here, but I fear things are not a straightforward as that, although I did think that with Sony's 24P HDCAM system you could derive almost any combination of resolution, frequency rate and progressive or interlaced picture from the one tape.


HDCam is a compressed digital VTR format - originally designed for 1080/60i and 1080/50i interlaced HD - which is itself a tweak of the original Japanese HD standard in use since the late 80s. Sony then tweaked the standard to add "segmented frame" recording - where a 24/25/30p signal could be converted internally (but with no vertical filtering) to a 48/50/60i signal for recording on tape, converted back (losslessly) to a 24/25/30p signal for replay.


Ah, OK. It was the fact that the effective frame rate was convertible (as opposed to the resolution) that I was remembering then. It's a while since I've seen an HDCam unit, but I remember Sony pushing it as a format to be used on high-end drama that could be sold abroad in 30fps, 24fps or 25fps formats.


Yep - though I think 30fps is less widespread. 24p and 25p are the main HD "drama" formats - in the same way that 24fps film and 25fps film are/were.

24p is used in the 60Hz regions - with 3:2 pulldown, whereas 25p is used in the 50Hz regions - with "2:2" pulldown.

If you want to run 24p stuff in 50Hz regions then you just play it at 25p and cope with the slight speed increase (ideally by pitch compensation), and similarly if you want to run 25p stuff in 60Hz regions you can slow it down to 24p and then 3:2 pulldown to 60. (Both ways are better than doing a standards conversion in the 50 or 60 domains)
JH
Jonathan H
Jonathan H posted:
Researchers and producers shooting DV wobbly-cam on low-budget programmes is bad enough...


And not just low-budget programmes! Anyone see George Alagiah's piece on the Six O'Clock News on BBC1 tonight? Appalling.

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