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Cumbria derailment coverage

(February 2007)

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PR
Primetime
For the first time, I have actually seen the train upclose on its side - on the ITV News. It looks very terrifying, ITV is also speaking to several people who work for Virgin etc.
MA
Markymark
Orry Verducci posted:
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There doesn't seem to be much damage to the Pendolino, so I very much doubt it will be written off. Just needs some fixing up and then it should be back in service.


How did you determine that, from looking at the TV images, or by closely examining the wreckage at the scene ? Have you any idea of the forces involved with crashing hundreds of tonnes of train, and contents at 90 mph. I take it you're not familiar with Newton's laws of dynamics for starters !
PE
Pete Founding member
I take it Mark that you've been studying at the Joe Harvard school of physics recently and therefore you know exactly the damage that has occurred to this particular train.
MA
Markymark
Hymagumba posted:
I take it Mark that you've been studying at the Joe Harvard school of physics recently and therefore you know exactly the damage that has occurred to this particular train.


Far from it, but I'd be amazed if all that is required is 'a bit of fixing up to get it back in service'.
PE
Pete Founding member
Markymark posted:
Hymagumba posted:
I take it Mark that you've been studying at the Joe Harvard school of physics recently and therefore you know exactly the damage that has occurred to this particular train.


Far from it, but I'd be amazed if all that is required is 'a bit of fixing up to get it back in service'.


Perhaps if he'd typed "a major body refit and back into service" you'd be happy?
MA
Markymark
Hymagumba posted:
Markymark posted:
Hymagumba posted:
I take it Mark that you've been studying at the Joe Harvard school of physics recently and therefore you know exactly the damage that has occurred to this particular train.


Far from it, but I'd be amazed if all that is required is 'a bit of fixing up to get it back in service'.


Perhaps if he'd typed "a major body refit and back into service" you'd be happy?


With the mass of the train, and the speed involved, it's very likely the chassis of every carriage is bent. As with a motor car, if that's happened the vehicle is a write-off.
RM
Roger Mellie
Markymark posted:
Hymagumba posted:
Markymark posted:
Hymagumba posted:
I take it Mark that you've been studying at the Joe Harvard school of physics recently and therefore you know exactly the damage that has occurred to this particular train.


Far from it, but I'd be amazed if all that is required is 'a bit of fixing up to get it back in service'.


Perhaps if he'd typed "a major body refit and back into service" you'd be happy?


With the mass of the train, and the speed involved, it's very likely the chassis of every carriage is bent. As with a motor car, if that's happened the vehicle is a write-off.


ITV News reported that no windows were smashed on train, which I think is remarkable Confused
MH
miss hellfire
Sky were reporting that this morning. They were also banging on about installing seatbelts on trains. Infact they didn't shut up about it. The only weather report i got was their bloomin european one. I mean as if i need to know the weather for spain and portugal.
HE
Hermes
Asa posted:
Border have just said "welcome to this specially extended edition of Border News". How does that work? Everyone's got 15mins at the moment... Confused


Border TV never normally use the full fifteen minutes for news and usually add filler programmes and features to use up the slot time.
IM
its me
Any extended coverage from the BBC regions today? With them only having one 5 minute summary on a Saturday have NW or NE&C had anything different?

Tbh, the coverage last nite on the late update was pants - considering NW have a permenant South Cumbira correspondent.
DV
DVB Cornwall
Markymark posted:
Orry Verducci posted:
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There doesn't seem to be much damage to the Pendolino, so I very much doubt it will be written off. Just needs some fixing up and then it should be back in service.


How did you determine that, from looking at the TV images, or by closely examining the wreckage at the scene ? Have you any idea of the forces involved with crashing hundreds of tonnes of train, and contents at 90 mph. I take it you're not familiar with Newton's laws of dynamics for starters !



From Branson's comments this morning his engineers on site have obviously made an initial examination of the rolling stock and they consider re-use is highly likely.

It's not unusual for parts of trains that have been involved in rail crashes to be repaired and reintroduced to the network. I am pretty sure that some of the FGW carriages in the Ladbroke Grove crash had been involved in two previous accidents, and that some parts of that train are now back in service.

I have an 'interest' in the railways and from the TV coverage that I've seen none of the carriages look as if they are writeoffs ON THE SURFACE EVIDENCE. They'll need to be thoroughly checked out of course and significant components might need replacing as with any impact accident. I'm not suggesting that a respray will be the only thing needed.to get it back in service.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Modern trains are very robustly built these days and can withstand very intense impact (mainly because of the crumple zones in them being so large). You can garuntee the last 3 carriages of the train involved will go back into service after a full structure check as they have only derailed.

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