OH
Sorry, but until Manyon got on the phone ITV's performance was absolutely abysmal. They were blathering on, with hardly any reports from the scene, for absolutely ages, whilst the Beeb and Sky had constant updates from correspondents in Russia.
I think it's a shame the Media Guardian article gives him so much credit, when he arrived later than everybody else, and when things had calmed down a little so it was safer for him.
Well, about 20 minutes after the ITV report, a reporter from Interfax saw exactly the same thing. So...
I have to agree with cat there, ITV's coverage was not the best but then they have to be given credit for Julian Manyon breaking the news about the amount of smouldering bodies within the gym.
The majority of viewers still only recieve analogue transmissions and so only had a choice between BBC1 and ITV1 and so could not have seen Rachel's first reports on SKY¦News - therefore between the terrestrial channels ITV got the big story first. SKY did get there first with some great reports but cannot deny that ITV (eventually) got the big headline.
That report by Media Guardian is VERY biased towards ITV and doesnt give a true reflection of what we all know how each broadcaster covered the story throughout the morning. Reading today's Daily Mirror also favoured ITV and just mentioned Rachel in passing. Which is a shame really as I thought Rachel might've gained Raegy status (sp???)
Also, concerning your last comment about Interfax, the actual report from them was that 'dozens' of bodies were spotted compared to ITV's report of 100. Not sure why im typing this reply but just thought i'd add it for the record.
ohwhatanight
Founding member
cat posted:
Sorry, but until Manyon got on the phone ITV's performance was absolutely abysmal. They were blathering on, with hardly any reports from the scene, for absolutely ages, whilst the Beeb and Sky had constant updates from correspondents in Russia.
I think it's a shame the Media Guardian article gives him so much credit, when he arrived later than everybody else, and when things had calmed down a little so it was safer for him.
Well, about 20 minutes after the ITV report, a reporter from Interfax saw exactly the same thing. So...
I have to agree with cat there, ITV's coverage was not the best but then they have to be given credit for Julian Manyon breaking the news about the amount of smouldering bodies within the gym.
The majority of viewers still only recieve analogue transmissions and so only had a choice between BBC1 and ITV1 and so could not have seen Rachel's first reports on SKY¦News - therefore between the terrestrial channels ITV got the big story first. SKY did get there first with some great reports but cannot deny that ITV (eventually) got the big headline.
That report by Media Guardian is VERY biased towards ITV and doesnt give a true reflection of what we all know how each broadcaster covered the story throughout the morning. Reading today's Daily Mirror also favoured ITV and just mentioned Rachel in passing. Which is a shame really as I thought Rachel might've gained Raegy status (sp???)
Also, concerning your last comment about Interfax, the actual report from them was that 'dozens' of bodies were spotted compared to ITV's report of 100. Not sure why im typing this reply but just thought i'd add it for the record.
BR
The report from Interfax was (almost certainly) based on the reports seen on ITV News - they were credited with the information by many international channels like CNN. Only the BBC and Sky probably didn't give ITN the credit.
Also, it was rather strange when ITV News broke the news about the bodies in the gym, and subsequently a few minutes later it came back to them on the wires, with Nicholas Owen effectively breaking the news that they had broke the news earlier.
cat posted:
Well, about 20 minutes after the ITV report, a reporter from Interfax saw exactly the same thing. So...
The report from Interfax was (almost certainly) based on the reports seen on ITV News - they were credited with the information by many international channels like CNN. Only the BBC and Sky probably didn't give ITN the credit.
Also, it was rather strange when ITV News broke the news about the bodies in the gym, and subsequently a few minutes later it came back to them on the wires, with Nicholas Owen effectively breaking the news that they had broke the news earlier.
CA
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
Brekkie Boy posted:
The report from Interfax was (almost certainly) based on the reports seen on ITV News
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
LO
I think that's putting it a bit strongly. ITV certainly deserves credit for giving so much ITV1 airtime to rolling coverage, even if the decision to go to Quincy just after 2pm - when the coverage was really getting going - was rather unfortunate.
As I said in the other thread, I thought ITV's coverage during the afternoon and evening was repetitive and incoherent - they were getting the news across, but not in such a clear way as the other channels.
Sky certainly had the edge there - the packages they were running mid-evening from Ammatt and Chater et al told the story and explained the background much better. ITV were replaying the Manyon/Owen exchange ad nauseam.
I thought last night's ITV News at 10.30 was excellent though - much clearer and better packaged coverage.
cat posted:
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
I think that's putting it a bit strongly. ITV certainly deserves credit for giving so much ITV1 airtime to rolling coverage, even if the decision to go to Quincy just after 2pm - when the coverage was really getting going - was rather unfortunate.
As I said in the other thread, I thought ITV's coverage during the afternoon and evening was repetitive and incoherent - they were getting the news across, but not in such a clear way as the other channels.
Sky certainly had the edge there - the packages they were running mid-evening from Ammatt and Chater et al told the story and explained the background much better. ITV were replaying the Manyon/Owen exchange ad nauseam.
I thought last night's ITV News at 10.30 was excellent though - much clearer and better packaged coverage.
OH
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
I dont want this to end up in a 'picky thread' where certain members are picked upon and their posts taken apart sentence by sentence,
BUT!!!...........
Cat I have looked through your posts on this thread and cannot see anywhere where you have mentioned the Interfax report about 100 bodies.
From what I saw (and captured posted earlier in thread) was:-
(approx times)
13:45 Julian Manyon camerman glimpsed smouldering bodies within the gymnasium. Julian Manyon stated that there were 100 bodies (not nearly 100, or possibly 100, but exactly 100!)
Within minutes both BBC and SKY initially reported this as 'a large number of bodies found' without creditation to ITV. As time progressed it did then get accredited to ITV News complete with the '100 bodies' estimate.
As you say approximately 20 minutes later there was an Interfax report which claimed 'dozens of bodies found' which is a vague statment as it could mean as few as 24 people or into the hundreds were found.
We cannot assertain whether the Interfax reporter was actually there or whether they were infact repeating the ITV News report - regardless if news presenters on the news channels were claiming this! Usually, in international news circles, many companies throughout the world use each other resources and possibly ITN might have been signed up by Interfax to provide news to them and so they could've been passing off this information as theirs! Anything is possible. We will never know!
PS I Like the quote from Brekkie Boy - almost certainly - made me chuckle that!
ohwhatanight
Founding member
cat posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
The report from Interfax was (almost certainly) based on the reports seen on ITV News
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
I dont want this to end up in a 'picky thread' where certain members are picked upon and their posts taken apart sentence by sentence,
BUT!!!...........
Cat I have looked through your posts on this thread and cannot see anywhere where you have mentioned the Interfax report about 100 bodies.
From what I saw (and captured posted earlier in thread) was:-
(approx times)
13:45 Julian Manyon camerman glimpsed smouldering bodies within the gymnasium. Julian Manyon stated that there were 100 bodies (not nearly 100, or possibly 100, but exactly 100!)
Within minutes both BBC and SKY initially reported this as 'a large number of bodies found' without creditation to ITV. As time progressed it did then get accredited to ITV News complete with the '100 bodies' estimate.
As you say approximately 20 minutes later there was an Interfax report which claimed 'dozens of bodies found' which is a vague statment as it could mean as few as 24 people or into the hundreds were found.
We cannot assertain whether the Interfax reporter was actually there or whether they were infact repeating the ITV News report - regardless if news presenters on the news channels were claiming this! Usually, in international news circles, many companies throughout the world use each other resources and possibly ITN might have been signed up by Interfax to provide news to them and so they could've been passing off this information as theirs! Anything is possible. We will never know!
PS I Like the quote from Brekkie Boy - almost certainly - made me chuckle that!
CA
Cat I have looked through your posts on this thread and cannot see anywhere where you have mentioned the Interfax report about 100 bodies.
Have a look at the top of page 7.
''the interfax report said exactly the same thing about 20 minutes later'' or something along those lines.
Had you been reading correctly, you'd have realised that this ''same thing'' I was talking about was the report of 100 bodies.
So, again, you prove yourself to speak before you think.
ohwhatanight posted:
Cat I have looked through your posts on this thread and cannot see anywhere where you have mentioned the Interfax report about 100 bodies.
Have a look at the top of page 7.
''the interfax report said exactly the same thing about 20 minutes later'' or something along those lines.
Had you been reading correctly, you'd have realised that this ''same thing'' I was talking about was the report of 100 bodies.
So, again, you prove yourself to speak before you think.
OH
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one as its getting us and the thread nowhere! We cannot 100% assertain where Interfax gained their information from and whether they were just repeating the ITV news exclusive. The only Interfax report I saw on a strap was that 'dozens of bodies were inside the gym...........' no mention of 100 bodies which is the EXACT figure given by ITV News. It seems a BIG coincidence if both news organizations conjured up the exact same figure (not approximately 100, or nearly 100, or over 100 but EXACTLY 100)......................................
ohwhatanight
Founding member
cat posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
The report from Interfax was (almost certainly) based on the reports seen on ITV News
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one as its getting us and the thread nowhere! We cannot 100% assertain where Interfax gained their information from and whether they were just repeating the ITV news exclusive. The only Interfax report I saw on a strap was that 'dozens of bodies were inside the gym...........' no mention of 100 bodies which is the EXACT figure given by ITV News. It seems a BIG coincidence if both news organizations conjured up the exact same figure (not approximately 100, or nearly 100, or over 100 but EXACTLY 100)......................................
GS
Gavin Scott
Founding member
On the basis that over 300 people were killed, it seems a little silly arguing about who claimed "100" were dead at the scene.
CA
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one as its getting us and the thread nowhere! We cannot 100% assertain where Interfax gained their information from and whether they were just repeating the ITV news exclusive. The only Interfax report I saw on a strap was that 'dozens of bodies were inside the gym...........' no mention of 100 bodies which is the EXACT figure given by ITV News. It seems a BIG coincidence if both news organizations conjured up the exact same figure (not approximately 100, or nearly 100, or over 100 but EXACTLY 100)......................................
So you're accusing a reputable and established news agency of lying when they said that one of their reporters saw around 100 bodies in the gym. Righto.
As I remember it, Interfax also later reported that there were ''a great deal more than 150 bodies in there'', which also turned out to be true.
ohwhatanight posted:
cat posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
The report from Interfax was (almost certainly) based on the reports seen on ITV News
The Interfax report was based on - as I have mentioned already, if you had bothered to read - an Interfax reporter who saw what ITV's correspondent saw about twenty minutes later.
The Interfax report was that there were around 100 bodies on the floor.
I agree that ITV got the story out, but think it has overshadowed the fact that the rest of their coverage was a pile of sh!t.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one as its getting us and the thread nowhere! We cannot 100% assertain where Interfax gained their information from and whether they were just repeating the ITV news exclusive. The only Interfax report I saw on a strap was that 'dozens of bodies were inside the gym...........' no mention of 100 bodies which is the EXACT figure given by ITV News. It seems a BIG coincidence if both news organizations conjured up the exact same figure (not approximately 100, or nearly 100, or over 100 but EXACTLY 100)......................................
So you're accusing a reputable and established news agency of lying when they said that one of their reporters saw around 100 bodies in the gym. Righto.
As I remember it, Interfax also later reported that there were ''a great deal more than 150 bodies in there'', which also turned out to be true.