I just felt I was being undermined.
LO
Precisely - and it just goes to show the importance of having a plurality of news providers to give the best overall service to the public.
ohwhatanight posted:
Personally, I dont like using the word 'BEST' for stories like this. Where it doesnt actually mean anything the word best. Therefore there are many attributes you have to take into account to decide which tv channel providing the most comprehensive and cohesive coverage.
Precisely - and it just goes to show the importance of having a plurality of news providers to give the best overall service to the public.
LO
Media Guardian posted:
TV crews under fire in Russian school siege
Dominic Timms
Friday September 3, 2004
TV crews put their lives at risk today to provide dramatic reports from inside the Russian school siege in which more than 100 people were reported to have been killed and more than 400 injured.
ITV, the BBC and Sky News all managed to get into the school grounds to provide close-up pictures of the chaotic scenes around the gym where bodies of the hostages were said to have been piled up.
ITV cleared its schedule to cover the unfolding horror with a virtual non-stop running commentary from veteran Julian Manyon, who was crouched outside the gym for the entire hour and a half of the special bulletin.
BBC correspondent Jonathan Charles and Sky News' Rachel Amatt also risked their lives to bring live reports from the scene.
A BBC spokesman said Charles narrowly avoided being shot as a bullet whizzed past him live on air. News 24 claims to have beaten ITV into the school grounds by around 20 minutes.
Manyon reported from outside the building, initially by videophone, and then managed to get into the school compound for a close-up account, as did Sky and the BBC.
Amid chaotic scenes around the school, it appears the media have been ahead of the Russian authorities in estimating casualties, with ITN's Russian cameraman, Sacha Lomakin, reporting up to 100 bodies lying in the gymnasium.
Lomakin managed to get into the gym and take two minutes of footage before he was thrown out by Russian troops still battling with the hostage takers.
He reported that there were around 100 bodies on the "charred and smouldering" ground of the gym.
The ITV editor-in-chief, David Mannion, said he had not yet transmitted pictures from within the gym because he wanted to vet them for taste and decency purposes.
"We have to be careful what we show. Obviously the pictures we have already seen are distressing with children naked or semi-naked," he said.
"I haven't seen the pictures from the gym yet, because the electricity has been cut over there, but we will see them later and decide what we can show."
Mr Mannion said he was concerned about his reporter's safety but that Manyon had taken a decision just before the lunchtime news to "take a calculated risk" and get into the school grounds, as had the reporter from Sky News.
"It all happened so fast. Julian decided on the spot. They got inside the open air quadrangle around the school first and then the cameraman managed to climb inside the gym," said Mr Mannion.
ITV's report that around 100 corpses lay in the gym was picked up by other news channels including Sky News, an unusual occurence.
Pictures from the school showed the pandemonium as firefighters battled to put out a fire and special troops continued to end the seige, which could end up being the worst terrorist crisis suffered by Russia.
During his non-stop reporting, Manyon reported that a Russian soldier was shot "no more than 10 yards away from us". He added there were "still some live bullets whizzing past where we are".
A clearly concerned Nicholas Owen, in the studio, repeatedly told Manyon to take care of himself in the increasingly perilous situation.
Manyon also reported that a news cameraman, presumed to be near to the gym, had been hit by gunfire.
"A news cameraman was hit about 30 minutes ago. I can't tell you who he was or which network he worked for but he was wounded and taken away," he said.
Manyon was providing commentary from a vantage point about 20 yards from the gym, crouching behind a side building abutting the main school building to watch the crisis unfold.
The scene was one of chaos with dozens of civilians milling round with no apparent crowd control by the authorities.
All three networks were carrying the same pictures but Manyon appeared to have scooped everyone with his continuous eye witness account
Owen repeatedly voiced concern for Manyon's safety. "It sounds to me just that you have been horribly close to some of these bullets," he said, advising Manyon to "take care".
Sky News also got within yards of the gym to provide dramatic pictures.
Dominic Timms
Friday September 3, 2004
TV crews put their lives at risk today to provide dramatic reports from inside the Russian school siege in which more than 100 people were reported to have been killed and more than 400 injured.
ITV, the BBC and Sky News all managed to get into the school grounds to provide close-up pictures of the chaotic scenes around the gym where bodies of the hostages were said to have been piled up.
ITV cleared its schedule to cover the unfolding horror with a virtual non-stop running commentary from veteran Julian Manyon, who was crouched outside the gym for the entire hour and a half of the special bulletin.
BBC correspondent Jonathan Charles and Sky News' Rachel Amatt also risked their lives to bring live reports from the scene.
A BBC spokesman said Charles narrowly avoided being shot as a bullet whizzed past him live on air. News 24 claims to have beaten ITV into the school grounds by around 20 minutes.
Manyon reported from outside the building, initially by videophone, and then managed to get into the school compound for a close-up account, as did Sky and the BBC.
Amid chaotic scenes around the school, it appears the media have been ahead of the Russian authorities in estimating casualties, with ITN's Russian cameraman, Sacha Lomakin, reporting up to 100 bodies lying in the gymnasium.
Lomakin managed to get into the gym and take two minutes of footage before he was thrown out by Russian troops still battling with the hostage takers.
He reported that there were around 100 bodies on the "charred and smouldering" ground of the gym.
The ITV editor-in-chief, David Mannion, said he had not yet transmitted pictures from within the gym because he wanted to vet them for taste and decency purposes.
"We have to be careful what we show. Obviously the pictures we have already seen are distressing with children naked or semi-naked," he said.
"I haven't seen the pictures from the gym yet, because the electricity has been cut over there, but we will see them later and decide what we can show."
Mr Mannion said he was concerned about his reporter's safety but that Manyon had taken a decision just before the lunchtime news to "take a calculated risk" and get into the school grounds, as had the reporter from Sky News.
"It all happened so fast. Julian decided on the spot. They got inside the open air quadrangle around the school first and then the cameraman managed to climb inside the gym," said Mr Mannion.
ITV's report that around 100 corpses lay in the gym was picked up by other news channels including Sky News, an unusual occurence.
Pictures from the school showed the pandemonium as firefighters battled to put out a fire and special troops continued to end the seige, which could end up being the worst terrorist crisis suffered by Russia.
During his non-stop reporting, Manyon reported that a Russian soldier was shot "no more than 10 yards away from us". He added there were "still some live bullets whizzing past where we are".
A clearly concerned Nicholas Owen, in the studio, repeatedly told Manyon to take care of himself in the increasingly perilous situation.
Manyon also reported that a news cameraman, presumed to be near to the gym, had been hit by gunfire.
"A news cameraman was hit about 30 minutes ago. I can't tell you who he was or which network he worked for but he was wounded and taken away," he said.
Manyon was providing commentary from a vantage point about 20 yards from the gym, crouching behind a side building abutting the main school building to watch the crisis unfold.
The scene was one of chaos with dozens of civilians milling round with no apparent crowd control by the authorities.
All three networks were carrying the same pictures but Manyon appeared to have scooped everyone with his continuous eye witness account
Owen repeatedly voiced concern for Manyon's safety. "It sounds to me just that you have been horribly close to some of these bullets," he said, advising Manyon to "take care".
Sky News also got within yards of the gym to provide dramatic pictures.
BR
Fantastic journalism by ITV this afternoon - and I'm sure most viewers shared the concerns of host Nicholas Owen over Julian Manyon's position in the school - although Julian was more concerned with reporting the deaths of 100+ hostages rather than his own possible demise.
Also, although I'm sure the BBC and Sky would have expressed similar concerns on screen, this type of personal journalism really brings the danger of the situation to the viewers.
One of my main memories of the news on September 11th was Kirsty Young speaking to her husband in New York soon after the events. It reminds you that the victims all have families and friends.
Also, although I'm sure the BBC and Sky would have expressed similar concerns on screen, this type of personal journalism really brings the danger of the situation to the viewers.
One of my main memories of the news on September 11th was Kirsty Young speaking to her husband in New York soon after the events. It reminds you that the victims all have families and friends.
PT
Throughout all this, another breaking news story erupted that Bill Clinton has been rushed to hospital for heart by-pass surgery
CA
Sorry, but until Manyon got on the phone ITV's performance was absolutely abysmal. They were blathering on, with hardly any reports from the scene, for absolutely ages, whilst the Beeb and Sky had constant updates from correspondents in Russia.
I think it's a shame the Media Guardian article gives him so much credit, when he arrived later than everybody else, and when things had calmed down a little so it was safer for him.
Brekkie Boy posted:
Fantastic journalism by ITV this afternoon
Sorry, but until Manyon got on the phone ITV's performance was absolutely abysmal. They were blathering on, with hardly any reports from the scene, for absolutely ages, whilst the Beeb and Sky had constant updates from correspondents in Russia.
I think it's a shame the Media Guardian article gives him so much credit, when he arrived later than everybody else, and when things had calmed down a little so it was safer for him.
BR
Sorry, but until Manyon got on the phone ITV's performance was absolutely abysmal. They were blathering on, with hardly any reports from the scene, for absolutely ages, whilst the Beeb and Sky had constant updates from correspondents in Russia.
I think it's a shame the Media Guardian article gives him so much credit, when he arrived later than everybody else, and when things had calmed down a little so it was safer for him.
He got the story though - broke it first on ITV, which was subsequently broke around the world - and crucially back in Russia. If the ITN cameraman - or any other international journalist - hadn't had discovered the bodies in the gym and broke the news so quickly, I doubt they would have been mentioned in the official figures!
cat posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
Fantastic journalism by ITV this afternoon
Sorry, but until Manyon got on the phone ITV's performance was absolutely abysmal. They were blathering on, with hardly any reports from the scene, for absolutely ages, whilst the Beeb and Sky had constant updates from correspondents in Russia.
I think it's a shame the Media Guardian article gives him so much credit, when he arrived later than everybody else, and when things had calmed down a little so it was safer for him.
He got the story though - broke it first on ITV, which was subsequently broke around the world - and crucially back in Russia. If the ITN cameraman - or any other international journalist - hadn't had discovered the bodies in the gym and broke the news so quickly, I doubt they would have been mentioned in the official figures!