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Cliff Richard High Court Case

High court ruling due 18/7 (page 9 onwards) (April 2018)

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SP
Steve in Pudsey
Loving the use of "Tommy Robinsoned" there. In the Sir Cliff case the investigation was at such an early stage there is no question of it being contempt of court, as there was no active court case.
DO
dosxuk
Cliff hadn't been arrested, nor was he arrested. The raid wasn't newsworthy for that reason. They may have Tommy Robinsoned any chance of a fair trial IF it did get to arrest, charge, prosecution.


How? Unless the helicopter footage provided images which could imply he was guilty, I can't see how seeing uniform uniformed personnel going through drawers would influence a potential future jury.

I don't really agree the use of the helicopter that day was justified or proportional, but I don't think it would have affected any subsequent trial of Sir Cliff. The issue for me is entirely whether SYP overstepped their bounds by tipping off the beeb to say "we're off to cliff's, send your crews" (and I think they probably did). If things had turned out differently, and the BBC had ignored the tip off and he'd subsequently been arrested, there would be as many complaints that the beeb was trying to cover his arrest up, so I don't think they can win.
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CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
I feel I probably need to urge caution on those posting until the current court case actually reaches a verdict and the case is concluded (for now).
BM
BM11
It's a civil case decided by a judge ( Judges if to goes to appeals) rather than a jury case so I am not sure if the rules are different. Certainly the press treat it as different with comment pieces about the case and no 'the case continues' type wording.
Last edited by BM11 on 31 May 2018 2:51pm
RA
radiolistener
Cliff hadn't been arrested, nor was he arrested. The raid wasn't newsworthy for that reason. They may have Tommy Robinsoned any chance of a fair trial IF it did get to arrest, charge, prosecution.


How? Unless the helicopter footage provided images which could imply he was guilty, I can't see how seeing uniform uniformed personnel going through drawers would influence a potential future jury.

I don't really agree the use of the helicopter that day was justified or proportional, but I don't think it would have affected any subsequent trial of Sir Cliff. The issue for me is entirely whether SYP overstepped their bounds by tipping off the beeb to say "we're off to cliff's, send your crews" (and I think they probably did). If things had turned out differently, and the BBC had ignored the tip off and he'd subsequently been arrested, there would be as many complaints that the beeb was trying to cover his arrest up, so I don't think they can win.


Very simply having the footage that would have been seen by potential jurors thus a good defence brief could say there is no chance of a fair trial because assumptions could quite easily be made.
BR
Brekkie
Cliff hadn't been arrested, nor was he arrested. The raid wasn't newsworthy for that reason. They may have Tommy Robinsoned any chance of a fair trial IF it did get to arrest, charge, prosecution.


How? Unless the helicopter footage provided images which could imply he was guilty, I can't see how seeing uniform uniformed personnel going through drawers would influence a potential future jury.

I don't really agree the use of the helicopter that day was justified or proportional, but I don't think it would have affected any subsequent trial of Sir Cliff. The issue for me is entirely whether SYP overstepped their bounds by tipping off the beeb to say "we're off to cliff's, send your crews" (and I think they probably did). If things had turned out differently, and the BBC had ignored the tip off and he'd subsequently been arrested, there would be as many complaints that the beeb was trying to cover his arrest up, so I don't think they can win.


Very simply having the footage that would have been seen by potential jurors thus a good defence brief could say there is no chance of a fair trial because assumptions could quite easily be made.

You can say that about every high profile case. With that logic no high profile child killer could ever be convicted.
RA
radiolistener

How? Unless the helicopter footage provided images which could imply he was guilty, I can't see how seeing uniform uniformed personnel going through drawers would influence a potential future jury.

I don't really agree the use of the helicopter that day was justified or proportional, but I don't think it would have affected any subsequent trial of Sir Cliff. The issue for me is entirely whether SYP overstepped their bounds by tipping off the beeb to say "we're off to cliff's, send your crews" (and I think they probably did). If things had turned out differently, and the BBC had ignored the tip off and he'd subsequently been arrested, there would be as many complaints that the beeb was trying to cover his arrest up, so I don't think they can win.


Very simply having the footage that would have been seen by potential jurors thus a good defence brief could say there is no chance of a fair trial because assumptions could quite easily be made.

You can say that about every high profile case. With that logic no high profile child killer could ever be convicted.


How many high profile child killers have had helicopter shots of their homes before even arrest?
BR
Brekkie
The helicopter is irrelevant. The press will dig as soon as they get a name and have been known to ruin the lives of innocent men as a result.
RA
radiolistener
The helicopter is irrelevant. The press will dig as soon as they get a name and have been known to ruin the lives of innocent men as a result.


It's not irrelevant. It's the reason why this court case is going on.

31 days later

BM
BM11
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6496206/bbcs-lawyer-bill-in-court-case-against-sir-cliff-richard-hits-153000/
From a couple of weeks ago and from that newspaper but it does show that were the BBC to lose the likes of Tony Hall and Fran Unsworth will be seen as surprising to survive the aftermath.

12 days later

BM
BM11
Judgement expected next Wednesday. Could be an important day for news reporting and the BBC as a whole depending on the outcome.
Last edited by BM11 on 13 July 2018 2:26pm
BM
BM11
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-17/sir-cliff-richard-waits-for-judges-decision-in-court-battle-with-bbc/

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