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Cliff Richard High Court Case

High court ruling due 18/7 (page 9 onwards) (April 2018)

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davidhorman
BM11 posted:
I noticed an opinion article in the Sun That was talking about how it will damage all the media if Sir Cliff was to win his case. It was headlined - secret arrests will occur if Cliff wins. So it will be very interesting to see their reaction if Sir Cliff wins.


The line of logic leading from "police colluding with the media to provide sensationalised coverage of a police operation" to "secret arrests are going to be a thing" seems a long and tortured one - particularly as in this case the only person ever arrested in conjunction with the case appears to have been of someone accused of blackmailing Cliff.

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There was more of a kerfuffle with the BBC helicopter over this

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/use_of_bbc_news_helicopter


The TL;DR on that one is that someone thought a helicopter had broken aviation rules by flying low to film the Flying Scotsman. Turns out they didn't because they're not complete idiots who think they can fly wherever they like, and they had all the permissions they needed Rolling Eyes
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Markymark

The TL;DR on that one is that someone thought a helicopter had broken aviation rules by flying low to film the Flying Scotsman. Turns out they didn't because they're not complete idiots who think they can fly wherever they like, and they had all the permissions they needed Rolling Eyes


Indeed. They had preplanned and authorised the exact flight path with the CAA beforehand. The only problem (which does have some merit in my view) is the chopper ruined the photographs of some of the train <cough> enthusiasts who had spent hours waiting to get a shot.
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dosxuk
The only problem (which does have some merit in my view) is the chopper ruined the photographs of some of the train <cough> enthusiasts who had spent hours waiting to get a shot.


Which, truth be told, is probably why they were complaining, rather than any perceived risk to public safety.
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Brekkie
I think the helicopter is irrelevant. Yes, it somewhat highlights the scale of the coverage but to me the crux of the case should be the information provided to the BBC that caused them to be ready with the helicopter in the first place. Coverage of the raid would have been less significant if the police hadn't tipped off the BBC and had treated their suspects rights with more respect.
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Markymark
The only problem (which does have some merit in my view) is the chopper ruined the photographs of some of the train <cough> enthusiasts who had spent hours waiting to get a shot.


Which, truth be told, is probably why they were complaining, rather than any perceived risk to public safety.


Oh of course. The safety card is sometimes a good one to play. I finally managed to get a lamp post outside our house fixed by implying it wasn't working because it might be shorting out
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Fluffy Bunny Feet

Whoa there! Been reading the Daily Fail lately?
Simple question to Hatton Cross:
If you had a police raid on your home with live media of the event would you be happy?


You clearly aren't a reader of the Daily Mail if you think my last posting was based on that homophobic little England hate-rags editorial thinking about the BBC. The Daily Mail would not be calling for the BBC to win the case and be awarded costs.

But, since you asked the question.
If I wasn't famous. Probably not happy, but if I was fairly certain plod would find no incriminating evidence about my property, I'd put up with it.

If I was famous. It's part of the territory with being famous. The amount of times during Sir Cliff's carear he's needed the BBC to plug a single/album release, but he can't expect glowing and fawning coverage for everything he does.

I'm guessing Sky News are keeping quiet until after the verdict, but I'm fairly sure that if SYP tipped off Martin Brunt over this raid, Sky News would not have kept the Sky News Copter grounded at Redhill Aerodrome as Inspector Knacker rolled up to the electric gates of Sir Clifford's British mansion.


That's entirely my point. You should not be treated differently to any celebrity. If he wins his case this will have major implication for all aerial coverage by helicopter or drone for all TV outlets - something none of use want. I also can't think of any UK broadcasters running live pictures of any police raids before this. It was bad judgement to use a tip-off and to use live footage IMHO. If no one else had aerial footage why not keep it for any subsequent court case? Also what of his neighbours? I'm sure some of those properties may have been seen.
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Hatton Cross

That's entirely my point. You should not be treated differently to any celebrity. If he wins his case this will have major implication for all aerial coverage by helicopter or drone for all TV outlets - something none of use want. I also can't think of any UK broadcasters running live pictures of any police raids before this. It was bad judgement to use a tip-off and to use live footage IMHO. If no one else had aerial footage why not keep it for any subsequent court case? Also what of his neighbours? I'm sure some of those properties may have been seen.

The part I've highlighted in bold.
There's a simple reason for that. When you see the police batter down a door, and leg it inside shouting, it would be difficult to pixelate the person (or others in the house) being arrested/under suspicion live. Hence. Why you see that in heavy delay (hours or days)

The raid on Sir Cliffs House was done live, because SYP/BBC knew he was in one of his other houses in Portugal.

By the way, do we know if the footage from the helicopter was 'Live, live' or 'live with short delay' so if anything unexpected happened, or one of SCR's house keeping staff got in shot, they could switch to the ground level based camera.
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davidhorman
If he wins his case this will have major implication for all aerial coverage by helicopter or drone for all TV outlets - something none of use want.


"All"? That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? It might have some implications for some aerial coverage, namely live footage of police operations against celebrities. But how often has that happened, before or since? Pretty much never, I think...
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Fluffy Bunny Feet
I was referring to any live police action such as this. The broadcast regulator already have rules on drone use and how such footage is acquired for broadcast. It's not much of a leap in imagination to fear new regulations being enforced.
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Fluffy Bunny Feet

That's entirely my point. You should not be treated differently to any celebrity. If he wins his case this will have major implication for all aerial coverage by helicopter or drone for all TV outlets - something none of use want. I also can't think of any UK broadcasters running live pictures of any police raids before this. It was bad judgement to use a tip-off and to use live footage IMHO. If no one else had aerial footage why not keep it for any subsequent court case? Also what of his neighbours? I'm sure some of those properties may have been seen.

The part I've highlighted in bold.
There's a simple reason for that. When you see the police batter down a door, and leg it inside shouting, it would be difficult to pixelate the person (or others in the house) being arrested/under suspicion live. Hence. Why you see that in heavy delay (hours or days)

The raid on Sir Cliffs House was done live, because SYP/BBC knew he was in one of his other houses in Portugal.

By the way, do we know if the footage from the helicopter was 'Live, live' or 'live with short delay' so if anything unexpected happened, or one of SCR's house keeping staff got in shot, they could switch to the ground level based camera.


Sorry to disagree again, but any court case should afford the defendant the right to a fair trial - as repugnant drug deslers are, that's the way it should be. Regarding SCR's raid what about neighbours unintentionally appearing on screen?
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Whataday Founding member
SYP took the decision to raid his house and tipped off the BBC. The raid IS a newsworthy story, and how anyone has managed to build a case against that is astounding.

The BBC was slammed for sweeping the Jimmy Saville rumours under the carpet. Can you imagine if they'd taken the decision to do the same in this situation?
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radiolistener
Cliff hadn't been arrested, nor was he arrested. The raid wasn't newsworthy for that reason. They may have Tommy Robinsoned any chance of a fair trial IF it did get to arrest, charge, prosecution.

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