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newsman1
Why does Helia Ebrahimi not do the name-check that reporters usually do at the end of a report?
None of the reporters on Channel 4 do 'signoffs' at the end of their reports (unless they're on location somewhere like Washington etc). It's not something I like - personally I think all reporters should sign off their reports - but it's Channel 4's house style.
Helia was on location last Thursday but she still didn't sign off.
BR
Sadly but not surprisingly the toothless press regulator IPSO have rejected complaints against Kelvin MacKenzie for his unwarranted attack on Fatima Manji, claiming he was "entitled" to be an ignorant intollerant bigot.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/oct/19/kelvin-mackenzie-entitled-to-attack-fatima-manji-over-hijab-says-ipso
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/oct/19/kelvin-mackenzie-entitled-to-attack-fatima-manji-over-hijab-says-ipso
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newsman1
Sad;y but not surprisingly the toothless press regulator IPSO have rejected complaints against Kelvin MacKenzie for his unwarranted attack on Fatima Manji, claiming he was "entitled" to be an ignorant intollerant bigot.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/oct/19/kelvin-mackenzie-entitled-to-attack-fatima-manji-over-hijab-says-ipso
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/oct/19/kelvin-mackenzie-entitled-to-attack-fatima-manji-over-hijab-says-ipso
The fact that Muslim women are not obliged by their religion to wear a hijab (As far as I know, the Koran doesn't say they have to) means that, technically, McKenzie didn't make the comment about Fatima on the grounds of her religion.
I've no time for The Sun but I'm sure that Fatima and her colleagues have put it behind them and are getting on with their jobs.
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newsman1
Tonight's programme was relegated to More4.
DA
The fact that Muslim women are not obliged by their religion to wear a hijab (As far as I know, the Koran doesn't say they have to) means that, technically, McKenzie didn't make the comment about Fatima on the grounds of her religion.
I don't see how the lack, or otherwise, of religious obligation in the wearing of a hijab makes any difference to how McKenzie's comments are treated.
The fact that Muslim women are not obliged by their religion to wear a hijab (As far as I know, the Koran doesn't say they have to) means that, technically, McKenzie didn't make the comment about Fatima on the grounds of her religion.
I don't see how the lack, or otherwise, of religious obligation in the wearing of a hijab makes any difference to how McKenzie's comments are treated.
LS
Lou Scannon
I'm an atheist.
I don't give a monkeys about what an individual's reasons are for wearing such things as hijabs, turbans or whatever else. Nor do I care to what extent the religion that they happen to follow "obliges" them to do so (or at least in their particular interpretation of it), and/or how much of a "personal choice" it is.
I just see a person wearing an item of headwear. Like how I usually wear a tribly hat.
And therefore I see no reason to "take offence" or think that they're "shoving their religion down my throat" or that it's "political correctness gone mad" or whatever. I treat the sight of Fatima's hijab with no more significance than whatever garments she is wearing from the neck downwards.
Compared to Jon Snow's socks and neckties, the attire of all other Channel 4 News presenters should pale into insignificance!
I don't give a monkeys about what an individual's reasons are for wearing such things as hijabs, turbans or whatever else. Nor do I care to what extent the religion that they happen to follow "obliges" them to do so (or at least in their particular interpretation of it), and/or how much of a "personal choice" it is.
I just see a person wearing an item of headwear. Like how I usually wear a tribly hat.
And therefore I see no reason to "take offence" or think that they're "shoving their religion down my throat" or that it's "political correctness gone mad" or whatever. I treat the sight of Fatima's hijab with no more significance than whatever garments she is wearing from the neck downwards.
Compared to Jon Snow's socks and neckties, the attire of all other Channel 4 News presenters should pale into insignificance!
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newsman1
The fact that Muslim women are not obliged by their religion to wear a hijab (As far as I know, the Koran doesn't say they have to) means that, technically, McKenzie didn't make the comment about Fatima on the grounds of her religion.
I don't see how the lack, or otherwise, of religious obligation in the wearing of a hijab makes any difference to how McKenzie's comments are treated.
I'm not defending him; I'm just rationalising his comments. Wasn't he commenting about the hijab, not her religion per se ?
WW
But surely there's a valid, rational argument to be made that an impartial journalist representing a news organization (and not primarily himself / herself) should not wear any symbols expressing personal beliefs (whether that's a hijab, a cross, a Star of David, or a political button)? And besides, you probably would never get a chance to anchor the news wearing your trilby.
Regardless of McKenzie's over-the-top statement, one can be on either side of this debate without being an Islamophobe.
I'm an atheist.
I don't give a monkeys about what an individual's reasons are for wearing such things as hijabs, turbans or whatever else. Nor do I care to what extent the religion that they happen to follow "obliges" them to do so (or at least in their particular interpretation of it), and/or how much of a "personal choice" it is.
I just see a person wearing an item of headwear. Like how I usually wear a tribly hat.
I don't give a monkeys about what an individual's reasons are for wearing such things as hijabs, turbans or whatever else. Nor do I care to what extent the religion that they happen to follow "obliges" them to do so (or at least in their particular interpretation of it), and/or how much of a "personal choice" it is.
I just see a person wearing an item of headwear. Like how I usually wear a tribly hat.
But surely there's a valid, rational argument to be made that an impartial journalist representing a news organization (and not primarily himself / herself) should not wear any symbols expressing personal beliefs (whether that's a hijab, a cross, a Star of David, or a political button)? And besides, you probably would never get a chance to anchor the news wearing your trilby.
Regardless of McKenzie's over-the-top statement, one can be on either side of this debate without being an Islamophobe.
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newsman1
I'm an atheist.
I don't give a monkeys about what an individual's reasons are for wearing such things as hijabs, turbans or whatever else. Nor do I care to what extent the religion that they happen to follow "obliges" them to do so (or at least in their particular interpretation of it), and/or how much of a "personal choice" it is.
I just see a person wearing an item of headwear. Like how I usually wear a tribly hat.
I don't give a monkeys about what an individual's reasons are for wearing such things as hijabs, turbans or whatever else. Nor do I care to what extent the religion that they happen to follow "obliges" them to do so (or at least in their particular interpretation of it), and/or how much of a "personal choice" it is.
I just see a person wearing an item of headwear. Like how I usually wear a tribly hat.
But surely there's a valid, rational argument to be made that an impartial journalist representing a news organization (and not primarily himself / herself) should not wear any symbols expressing personal beliefs (whether that's a hijab, a cross, a Star of David, or a political button)? And besides, you probably would never get a chance to anchor the news wearing your trilby.
Regardless of McKenzie's over-the-top statement, one can be on either side of this debate without being an Islamophobe.
I recall a storm-in-a-teacup about Fiona Bruce wearing a cross. The BBC said that she could wear a cross as long as it wasn't as big as the one a bishop wears.