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Carrie Gracie resignation

Split from BBC News | Presenter & Correspondent Reshuffles (January 2018)

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Cando
Oh dear. So the BBC are quite happy to pull Winifred Robinson off the air after supporting Carrie Gracie, but allow Carrie Gracie to go back on the News channel after what's happened over the last few days when she is still the subject of the news? It's like the left arm doesn't know what the right arm's doing - or am I missing something?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bbc-presenter-winifred-robinson-taken-11824751


Her entire show was going to be about the subject so was replaced as she had previously expressed many opinions about it. Carrie didn't take part in the item on Monday when it came up on the Today programme.
Last edited by Cando on 10 January 2018 12:21am
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m_in_m
So she was complaining that her male colleagues were grossly overpaid and she was underpaid compared to them and she's now agreed to go back to the news channel on a 145k salary, which is more than she was on before as China Editor and she's happy with that.

So, is she on the same salary as Simon McCoy or Clive Myrie and if she isn't and is indeed on more, has just created another gender pay gap in the process.


Why didn't there just give her that type of money and stay as China Editor? ie to match other male editors around the world?


But they did offer her a pay rise. She stated in an interview the other day that she was offered it but turned it down.

I think the problem Carrie had with the rise is that it would have resolved the issue for her (assuming it was equal pay) but did nothing to resolve the issue for less senior women who don't have the profile Carrie has. It did nothing to improve transparency.
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Worzel

Why didn't there just give her that type of money and stay as China Editor? ie to match other male editors around the world?


But they did offer her a pay rise. She stated in an interview the other day that she was offered it but turned it down.

I think the problem Carrie had with the rise is that it would have resolved the issue for her (assuming it was equal pay) but did nothing to resolve the issue for less senior women who don't have the profile Carrie has. It did nothing to improve transparency.


But it's not really a gender pay gap is it? It's a job pay gap. Laura Kuensberg is the highest paid UK-based editor, she's a woman and is earning more than her counterparts in say, Home Affairs and Sport, both roles currently held by men.

Carrie Gracie made a point in her letter that it seems only women are losing out and some people are overpaid, then a few days later seems happy to take a job on the news channel with a higher salary than what she was earning in her China Editor post (which is, some would say, a less senior role and a step down in the news department) and grossly overpaid in itself.
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House

But they did offer her a pay rise. She stated in an interview the other day that she was offered it but turned it down.

I think the problem Carrie had with the rise is that it would have resolved the issue for her (assuming it was equal pay) but did nothing to resolve the issue for less senior women who don't have the profile Carrie has. It did nothing to improve transparency.


But it's not really a gender pay gap is it? It's a job pay gap. Laura Kuensberg is the highest paid UK-based editor, she's a woman and is earning more than her counterparts in say, Home Affairs and Sport, both roles currently held by men.


Political Editor is one of, if not the, most senior onscreen editor position, so you're comparing apples and oranges when contrasting it to Home or Sports (or, for that matter, arts, media, science, health...). North America vs Europe are much more on par with one another, but not paid accordingly.

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Carrie Gracie made a point in her letter that it seems only women are losing out and some people are overpaid, then a few days later seems happy to take a job on the news channel with a higher salary than what she was earning in her China Editor post (which is, some would say, a less senior role and a step down in the news department) and grossly overpaid in itself.


Sorry, what is your point? This is about principle, not about her getting a pay rise (remember, reducing the pay of her Editor colleagues to her level would have achieved the same result as raising her pay). She has made it clear repeatedly she was seeking pay equality, not a pay rise. She makes it clear she thinks it's strange that the BBC are paying her vastly more in her new NC role than her more senior editor role - one would imagine because they're paying her at least the same as her NC colleagues, whereas she wasn't being paid the same as some of her counterparts in the Editor position.

It also puts in context how undervalued/underpaid Maitlis, Montague etc. have been for a NC presenter to earn today so much more than they were being paid as of last July.
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House

Why didn't there just give her that type of money and stay as China Editor? ie to match other male editors around the world?


But they did offer her a pay rise. She stated in an interview the other day that she was offered it but turned it down.

I think the problem Carrie had with the rise is that it would have resolved the issue for her (assuming it was equal pay) but did nothing to resolve the issue for less senior women who don't have the profile Carrie has. It did nothing to improve transparency.


AIUI the pay rise was not going to achieve pay equality with her male colleagues, so defeated the point.


Regarding on and off-air staff not being allowed to work on stories regarding pay equality if they've publicly backed Gracie because of impartiality reasons, one has to wonder how senior management are allowed to make such a call given they themselves have a clear conflict of interest between journalism and staff management. I don't see how a producer who's backed Gracie cannot be judged to cover the story, while Gracie's ultimate bosses (e.g. the Director of News Fran Unworth) can dictate who and how the story is covered?

171 days later

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A former member
It's now been resolved: Looks like the BBC has admitted it made a mistake:

https://carriegracie.com/news.html

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Joint statement between Carrie and Tony Hall, Director-General of the BBC

The BBC and Carrie Gracie have reached an agreement to resolve their differences.

The BBC acknowledges that Carrie was told she would be paid in line with the North America Editor when she took the role of China Editor, and she accepted the role on that understanding. The BBC is committed to the principle of equal pay and acting in accordance with our values. The BBC acknowledges the specific circumstances relating to Carrie’s appointment, apologises for underpaying Carrie, and has now put this right. Carrie is donating the full amount received to a charity of her choice.

Carrie has made, and will continue to make, an important contribution to the BBC. During her tenure as China Editor, Carrie delivered reports, analysis and work, that were as valuable as those of the other International Editors in the same period.

Carrie Gracie said: “I am glad to have been able to resolve this with the Director-General – it shows that we can make progress. I’m also pleased that my work as China Editor has now been properly recognised by the BBC and relieved that this difficult period is over. For me, this was always about the principle, rather than the money. I’m delighted to donate all the backdated pay from the BBC to help women striving for equality at work.”

Tony Hall said: “I am pleased that we’ve been able to move past our differences and work through things together; we can now look to the future. I’m also glad that Carrie will be contributing to Donalda MacKinnon’s project to make the BBC a great place for women to work. That really matters to me, and I want us to lead the way.”

At her request, Carrie will now take up to six months of unpaid leave to write and speak, on both China and gender equality. Neither she nor the BBC wish to comment on this further.

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all new Phil
Wish I could publicly bring the company I work for into disrepute and come out of it better off.
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Richard
Wish I could publicly bring the company I work for into disrepute and come out of it better off.


I think it was the corporation that brought itself into disrepute. She simply highlighted it.
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W1LL
Looking forward for the salary of Jeremy Bowen, the Middle East editor, to be brought in line with Jon Sopel’s.

Oh wait.
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Rkolsen
I imagine she’ll be making the equivalent of her salary in speaking fees over the next six months. Usually speaking gigs of someone of that stature or role start in the few thousands. I remember seeing Katty Kay’s and Aaron Heslehurst’s rate cards online and they were doing quite well.
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Brekkie
Disgraceful call and clearly a move to shut her up rather than defend themselves.
W1LL and all new Phil gave kudos
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Worzel
Looking forward for the salary of Jeremy Bowen, the Middle East editor, to be brought in line with Jon Sopel’s.

Oh wait.


Yes, I notice that has conveniently not been discussed.

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