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Carrie Gracie resignation

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Rolling News
I always got the feeling the role of China Editor was created specifically for Carrie Gracie due to her extensive knowledge and enthusiasm of all things China, so not sure if anyone will replace her. But if they do, how about someone like Ben Brown?

As for Carrie herself, it will most likely be the News Channel or World (where exactly I don't know). I never really thought she'd suit Network bulletins for some reason. A bit like Martine Croxall, amazing on the NC but just something about them wouldn't suit the nationals.
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Worzel
I always got the feeling the role of China Editor was created specifically for Carrie Gracie due to her extensive knowledge and enthusiasm of all things China, so not sure if anyone will replace her. But if they do, how about someone like Ben Brown?

As for Carrie herself, it will most likely be the News Channel or World (where exactly I don't know). I never really thought she'd suit Network bulletins for some reason. A bit like Martine Croxall, amazing on the NC but just something about them wouldn't suit the nationals.


I can see he covering for VD or perhaps something like Newsday?
LX
lxflyer
Far more likely to be someone with experience of China, such as one of the current or former Beijing correspondents.

As for Carrie - she could go to radio as well such as Today or the World Service.
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Andrew Founding member
In the nicest possible way, it seems that Carrie Gracie maybe had a slightly exaggerated idea of the importance of her role and her standing within the corporation. To compare herself with Jon Sopel and Jeremy Bowen is, frankly, ridiculous - her role and screen time were in no way comparable to either of them, and that is what her remuneration is based on, not her gender.


In the nicest possible way, you are talking through a cocked hat.

An Editor has certain responsibilities for the coverage of their 'beat' as it were, and those are exactly the same whether you are on screen or not. The North America Editor, The Political Editor, The China Editor, The Sports Editor, every one of those editor roles have exactly the same responsibilities. How many times you appear on air have nothing to do with it at all.

If one editor is paid a lot more than another, for doing the same job and having the same responsibilities, then that is just plain old wrong, except in maybe very exceptional circumstances, but I don't see anything in this that even comes close to qualifying to be exceptional.


So are you saying that Will Gompertz and Dan Roan should get the same as Jeremy Bowen and Laura Kuenssberg? They are all editors.


Also where I work there are 3 of us doing pretty much the same job, I'm 99% certain we won't get the same pay, as one off pay rises would have to be justified and you'd be sticking your head above the line as a troublemaker and it generally depends on if you've worked your way up or came in at that level, with the latter generally getting more. Obviously this isn't on TV or in the public sector or in a unionised industry.

As for replacing Carrie, there is no way in a million years it will be a man. Can you image the fuss. I expect the role will be discontinued and some other correspondent roles revised with different remits.
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Schwing
Honestly, you really don't need any special skills, experience or knowledge in order to cover America and Trump.


There's no need to be quite so flippant. I would argue that you do need specialised 'skills, experience or knowledge' to cover the North American brief. The clue is in the title. The last time that I checked, North America included Canada, Mexico, the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean. In light of a) the diversity and frequency of reports from these areas - for example, covering hurricanes, the trade, etc. - and b) the historical links between these areas and Europe - eg., the UK, France, etc. - a specialised knowledge is required.

Of course, therein lies the problem . Ginnyfan is not alone in the equating the North America Editor with the United States. There are, however, important stories at play in countries such as Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Honduras and the other countries in the area that have an impact upon policy and policy position in the both the UK and Europe. To my mind, the North America Editor should be looking to these areas for stories. If you pick up a newspaper or look at a periodical, the stories are there. Important stories that need to be told.

I always got the feeling the role of China Editor was created specifically for Carrie Gracie due to her extensive knowledge and enthusiasm of all things China


I can see your point here but I think it speaks more to how the BBC recognised that the world was changing. Think about it this way - for years, the titled correspondents of note were John Simpson (World Affairs Editor), Kate Adie (Chief News Correspondent) and Martin Bell (Chief International Correspondent). Perhaps in response to a) the breakup of the USSR and the changing geopolitical landscape and b) a realisation that Simpson et al. would not be around forever, the BBC responded. Jeremy Bowen was made Middle East Editor, Justin Webb was appointed the first North America Editor, etc. Ironically, globalisation - which should have eroded barriers and borders - mandated that specialist editors were required. The growth of China as a cultural, economic and political superpower necessitated that the creation of an editorial role. The fact that Carrie Gracie was fluent in Mandarin and worked there on a regular basis was bonus in that sense.

So are you saying that Will Gompertz and Dan Roan should get the same as Jeremy Bowen and Laura Kuenssberg? They are all editors.


The problem with this scenario is that you have domestic and international editors. I don't think it's possible to equate the role of Arts Editor to that of Middle East Editor - it's not as if war will break out between Tate Britain and Tate Modern - but you could argue that the number of correspondents and the breadth of remit for the Sports Editor was as great as that of the North America Editor.
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lxflyer
To be fair I don’t think Jon Sopel has reported on any of the countries outside the USA in his current role. It is very much a US focussed position. That isn’t a criticism of him by the way. It’s the reality of the job.

Will Grant in Havana tends to cover most Latin America & Caribbean stories, with occasional assistance from James Cook in LA, while South America is covered from São Paulo.

The only time that any of the Washington based team have visited the Caribbean of late was during the recent hurricanes.
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cityprod
In the nicest possible way, it seems that Carrie Gracie maybe had a slightly exaggerated idea of the importance of her role and her standing within the corporation. To compare herself with Jon Sopel and Jeremy Bowen is, frankly, ridiculous - her role and screen time were in no way comparable to either of them, and that is what her remuneration is based on, not her gender.


In the nicest possible way, you are talking through a cocked hat.

An Editor has certain responsibilities for the coverage of their 'beat' as it were, and those are exactly the same whether you are on screen or not. The North America Editor, The Political Editor, The China Editor, The Sports Editor, every one of those editor roles have exactly the same responsibilities. How many times you appear on air have nothing to do with it at all.

If one editor is paid a lot more than another, for doing the same job and having the same responsibilities, then that is just plain old wrong, except in maybe very exceptional circumstances, but I don't see anything in this that even comes close to qualifying to be exceptional.


So are you saying that Will Gompertz and Dan Roan should get the same as Jeremy Bowen and Laura Kuenssberg? They are all editors.


Yes, they have the same role and responsibilities for their individual beats, they should be on the same pay, or at least, in the same pay band. There shouldn't be a massive difference in pay between one editor and another.
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Jarv


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A former member
Does that mean she will be back behide the desk from the 29th Jan?
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Jarv
29th is a Monday so fingers crossed she will be on between 9-11 (wishful thinking!) Bit of an increase from when she previously disclosed her salary on air
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A former member
Jarv posted:
29th is a Monday so fingers crossed she will be on between 9-11 (wishful thinking!) Bit of an increase from when she previously disclosed her salary on air


Maybe she'll be on afternoon live Wink I think she peed off she getting lots more money for doing much less work..
JA
Jarv
Yes the old duo reunited, would be excellent if that were to happen

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