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Manchester Terror Attack

On 22 May 2017, there was a suicide bombing at Manchester Arena which killed 22 people (May 2017)

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BBI45
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I'm surprised that after so many incidents like this they haven't put red flashing lights in the studio areas instead of the audible sounders, or got a proper two stage alert system.

They do. I just guess that they didn't notice them, which is why they also have an alarm in the studio. When it went off during the slot formerly held by Tony Livesey, he explained the situation and the the sounder activated as he was saying he'll return soon. Somebody at BBC Breakfast also tweeted an image of a light when the alarm went off when they were on air. Somebody else has explained the two stage alert system. However, for some reason, it went straight to a full evacuation (possibly due to it been triggered in the canteen).
Last edited by BBI45 on 24 May 2017 6:37pm
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Khairul
Last night's ITV News at Ten had a very long headline bed. I think it would have been more impactful to keep the points short, snappy and powerful (like the News at Ten of old) instead of making it into some kind of montage.
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Andrew Founding member
Khairul posted:
Last night's ITV News at Ten had a very long headline bed. I think it would have been more impactful to keep the points short, snappy and powerful (like the News at Ten of old) instead of making it into some kind of montage.

It will still have been much much shorter than the headlines on any normal edition of the BBC Ten o'clock news.
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VMPhil
Khairul posted:
Last night's ITV News at Ten had a very long headline bed. I think it would have been more impactful to keep the points short, snappy and powerful (like the News at Ten of old) instead of making it into some kind of montage.

This is something the BBC do nowadays as well - at the turn of the millennium both BBC and ITV used to have headlines that were of an exact length and when you watch bulletins from that era, they're much more powerful.

https://youtu.be/_xx9FtKzwR4

https://youtu.be/4F0HA92BwBc


4 News still have a nice short headline sting at the beginning before going into the titles.
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Brekkie
Generally speaking prefer the straight to the point over in 30 second headline sequence but do think a more open ended approach for stories such as this is necessary and works better, and means a slightly more human introduction rather than just a few bullet points.
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watchingtv
p_c_u_k posted:
In terms of ITV not having a bulletin last night - I agree it's not the end of the world. This was a horrific terror attack but isolated to one venue. My concern would be what their plans are should something even more serious occur. I'm quite sure there will be something.

In terms of it being an old-fashioned outlook that something must go on TV - I accept the majority of the population turn to the internet for breaking news these days, but taking that argument to its logical conclusion, what's the point in TV news at all? Also, older people will not necessarily be all over the likes of Twitter.

Studio 10 in Australia say that a ITV News Producer. And look out of Gavin Grey!
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A former member
Khairul posted:
Last night's ITV News at Ten had a very long headline bed. I think it would have been more impactful to keep the points short, snappy and powerful (like the News at Ten of old) instead of making it into some kind of montage.


2m 40sec if anyone wonders..
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Brekkie
I wasn't sure how necessary it was for clips of the explosion and resulting panic to be shown last night but really don't think it's necessary to continue including them in reports now.
sjhoward and Footballer gave kudos
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Inspector Sands
BBI45 posted:
Somebody else has explained the two stage alert system. However, for some reason, it went straight to a full evacuation (possibly due to it been triggered in the canteen).

As I understand it, it works on how many things are triggering the alarm. If two break glasses or two sensors in different places are activated then it's likely not a mistake so there's no warning, it's evacuation now.
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BBI45
Inspector Sands posted:
BBI45 posted:
Somebody else has explained the two stage alert system. However, for some reason, it went straight to a full evacuation (possibly due to it been triggered in the canteen).

As I understand it, it works on how many things are triggering the alarm. If two break glasses or two sensors in different places are activated then it's likely not a mistake so there's no warning, it's evacuation now.

It probably does work like that. Anyway, it was probably a fault with the system. Some modern systems are rather advance. I can remember when I was at the other site of my secondary school, they had a new system installed and during the 1st drill, it kept going off for brief periods after we got back in, and we were constantly in and out of our seats as it took them about 1 hour to fully sort the problem. The system still has problems to this day. I am now thankfully at the other site. Thankfully, I no longer go to that site.


Anyway, I'm getting off topic. It was likely a fault of some sort.
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Rkolsen
UKnews posted:
Rkolsen posted:
I am a bit surprised they don't have a teleprompter set up on one of the cameras. Additionally it seems the camera work seems to be predominately over the shoulder. Would look much better if it was on a tripod where they pan and tilt as needed.


It also appears they have a locked off camera shot from a building above their location. It appears Victoria and her crew are in the center of the frame with the blue photojournalist.

That's the camera on top of the mast on the truck.


On the teleprompter - it's an expensive bit of kit and you either need an extra return vision circuit or a local operator. So - in this instance - its people or tying up expensive satellite space.

Unlike NBC the BBC (must be getting on for) 20 people to do a single presenter live.


Didn't realize the BBC had masts on their trucks.

I mentioned the TelePrompTer because I thought it would be useful for a network that appeared to be broadcasting from the same site all day.
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mapperuo
Rkolsen posted:
UKnews posted:
Rkolsen posted:
I am a bit surprised they don't have a teleprompter set up on one of the cameras. Additionally it seems the camera work seems to be predominately over the shoulder. Would look much better if it was on a tripod where they pan and tilt as needed.


It also appears they have a locked off camera shot from a building above their location. It appears Victoria and her crew are in the center of the frame with the blue photojournalist.

That's the camera on top of the mast on the truck.


On the teleprompter - it's an expensive bit of kit and you either need an extra return vision circuit or a local operator. So - in this instance - its people or tying up expensive satellite space.

Unlike NBC the BBC (must be getting on for) 20 people to do a single presenter live.


Didn't realize the BBC had masts on their trucks.


Quite useful for things like this.

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