News revamp at BBC
The BBC is planning to revamp the
News at Ten
after figures revealed that ITV has gained 500,000 viewers in the few weeks since Tom Bradby took over its programme.
From the full article (which doesn't add all that much):
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BBC insiders said that executives were planning to extend the flagship bulletin by seven minutes and give Huw Edwards, the presenter, and his team a new studio in an attempt to beef up the programme ... The aim is to make the programme more distinctive from the Six [o’clock news bulletin], more flagship ... Under the BBC plans to revamp News at Ten, Newsnight would be moved out of the main news studio in the basement of Broadcasting House — which is also home to The Andrew Marr Show and Sunday Politics — to make way for the new studio, according to BBC insiders.
Also suggests that ITV's Ten is averaging about 2m viewers (up 500k) to BBC's 4m, and that the BBC is concerned that ITV's audience will build further with the "formidable team" of "housewives' choice" Bradby, and Peston.
For what it's worth, Jan Moir has seen fit to stick the boot in too. Some choice quotes:
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Oh, the horror! Tom Bradby has taken over as the new anchor at ITV - and the Jan Scores are in ... Tom sits alone behind a huge slab of black mirror, which masquerades as a desk. I imagine he leans over and smirks happily at his reflection during the ad breaks. Blows himself the occasional kiss ... He has turned the once-respected programme into News at Tom ... Tom is determined to stamp his smarmy personality over everything and everyone. In the process, he down-grades the actual news, which becomes a backdrop to his own lovely self ... I pity the talented ITV journalists, the Bradby Bunch, who must file their reports into this black hole of Tom-smuggery.
I'm genuinely not sure whether Moir's hypocrisy is intended to be 'humorously knowing' or whether she just lacks insight. Either option isn't especially reassuring.
Maybe normally she is, but this time, she's pretty spot on. This is worse than the 1999-2003 era of ITV News. "News at Tom" is pretty accurate.
I think my point was more directed towards 'For what it's worth'. The views of someone lacking humility, humanity, intelligence AREN'T worth anything to me. Agreeing with one thing someone says isn't really reason enough for me to discount the enormous back catalogue of ignorant intolerance. But you go for it.
I'm not discounting their back catalogue, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. You should reward those who do speak truth, even if they've never done it before, with recognition that they have actually spoken accurately, no matter how many other things you may disagree with them on.
It's not truth. It's opinion. It's her point-of-view. So it's OK to walk down the street shouting racist, homophobic, sexist remarks at you as long as I'm also picking up litter and helping old ladies cross the road at the same time? And you'll reward me?
Jeez, talk about gross misrepresentation.
When somebody gets something right, you reward them. When they get something wrong, you criticise them. Is that not common sense???
Oh, and it is fact, by the way. News At Ten is now an opinion show, not a news programme. It shouldn't be calling itself a news bulletin, as it's little more now than Tom Bradby's opinions, and I don't care about his opinions. I care about finding out what made the news today, and I can't get that from News At Ten anymore.
Right = reward / wrong = criticism. No that's not common sense... that's dog training. Us humans prefer to build relationships with each other based on common principals, moralities and patterns of behaviour that chime with our own experiences and relationships. We form bonds with people based on who they are, not what they say and do on a sentence-by-sentence and action-by-action basis.
You're like Jan Moir you are.
News at Ten IS a news programme. It isn't little more than Tom Bradby's opinion because he doesn't actually give his opinion does he? All he does is summarise popular opinion "You may think one thing, you may think another or perhaps you consider this most important. Whatever your stance, what's happened today is likely to result in either this, this or this". That's just acknowledging that as well as just wanting the facts, we're all also discussing it from our own point-of-view on some platform or another.
Thanks goodness you've got the Mail for the facts now that News at Ten is so opinionated.
Don't Ofcom regulations state that broadcast news has to be impartial? If so how does an employee of ITN giving his opinions on news stories fit into that. Surely this is a contravention of broadcasting regulation. I would hate for this be the first step towards American style news programming.
For what it's worth, Jan Moir has seen fit to stick the boot in too. Some choice quotes:
Quote:
Oh, the horror! Tom Bradby has taken over as the new anchor at ITV - and the Jan Scores are in ... Tom sits alone behind a huge slab of black mirror, which masquerades as a desk. I imagine he leans over and smirks happily at his reflection during the ad breaks. Blows himself the occasional kiss ... He has turned the once-respected programme into News at Tom ... Tom is determined to stamp his smarmy personality over everything and everyone. In the process, he down-grades the actual news, which becomes a backdrop to his own lovely self ... I pity the talented ITV journalists, the Bradby Bunch, who must file their reports into this black hole of Tom-smuggery.
I'm genuinely not sure whether Moir's hypocrisy is intended to be 'humorously knowing' or whether she just lacks insight. Either option isn't especially reassuring.
Maybe normally she is, but this time, she's pretty spot on. This is worse than the 1999-2003 era of ITV News. "News at Tom" is pretty accurate.
I think my point was more directed towards 'For what it's worth'. The views of someone lacking humility, humanity, intelligence AREN'T worth anything to me. Agreeing with one thing someone says isn't really reason enough for me to discount the enormous back catalogue of ignorant intolerance. But you go for it.
I'm not discounting their back catalogue, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. You should reward those who do speak truth, even if they've never done it before, with recognition that they have actually spoken accurately, no matter how many other things you may disagree with them on.
It's not truth. It's opinion. It's her point-of-view. So it's OK to walk down the street shouting racist, homophobic, sexist remarks at you as long as I'm also picking up litter and helping old ladies cross the road at the same time? And you'll reward me?
Jeez, talk about gross misrepresentation.
When somebody gets something right, you reward them. When they get something wrong, you criticise them. Is that not common sense???
Oh, and it is fact, by the way. News At Ten is now an opinion show, not a news programme. It shouldn't be calling itself a news bulletin, as it's little more now than Tom Bradby's opinions, and I don't care about his opinions. I care about finding out what made the news today, and I can't get that from News At Ten anymore.
Right = reward / wrong = criticism. No that's not common sense... that's dog training. Us humans prefer to build relationships with each other based on common principals, moralities and patterns of behaviour that chime with our own experiences and relationships. We form bonds with people based on who they are, not what they say and do on a sentence-by-sentence and action-by-action basis.
Ha, you ought to find the book about Pavlov's dogs and how it links to human psychology. We aren't that different really.
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You're like Jan Moir you are.
LMAO, Oh that's hilarious, the funniest thing I've ever read here, hahahahahahah... what? You're being serious??? Because I agree with her on one single thing? You really don't know much about me do you?
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News at Ten IS a news programme. It isn't little more than Tom Bradby's opinion because he doesn't actually give his opinion does he? All he does is summarise popular opinion "You may think one thing, you may think another or perhaps you consider this most important. Whatever your stance, what's happened today is likely to result in either this, this or this". That's just acknowledging that as well as just wanting the facts, we're all also discussing it from our own point-of-view on some platform or another.
Oh, pull the other one, it's got as bell on it. He summarises his own editorial viewpoint, nothing more. To even think he might be summarising 'popular opinion' is over-pretentious twaddle. Magazine programmes and opinion shows are where popular opinion should be gauged, by use of viewer polls, and other such methods. And even then, it can be easily biased by how the questions are constructed. To think that a news programme not only should but could summarise it, without even performing any polling of the public to find out what they think, is something out of cloud cuckoo land.
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Thanks goodness you've got the Mail for the facts now that News at Ten is so opinionated.
The Daily Fail??? for facts?!?!? LMAO!!!
Oh that's rich! That's like saying that Fox News is fair and balanced. You're so biased yourself with your hatred of the right wing, that you refuse to acknowledge when one of them gets something right for once, rare event as that is. You even go so far as to veer off into fantasyland, and say things that evidence just does not back up. If it was the only newspaper in the world, I still wouldn't buy the Daily Fail. So, come on back to the real world. Fantasyland looks great, but the workmanship on all the false fronts ain't designed to stand up to the rigours of real life.
I care about finding out what made the news today, and I can't get that from News At Ten anymore.
But arguably that's not enough these days, considering that viewers can now easily find out what made the news today from a myriad of other sources long before 10 p.m. Perhaps a slightly more personalized, magazine-oriented approach will help NaT stand out a bit and give more viewers -- most of whom have already watched or read the news elsewhere -- a reason to tune it.
Our of interest, does
anybody
have actual ratings figures for both the BBC and ITV bulletins? I've seen very little out there and the whole 'half a million in three weeks' statistic I'm taking with a pinch of salt.
As discussed on another forum, "the only weekday ITV News at Ten to make the Broadcast top 100 overnights chart for last week (ending 25 October) was the one Skyfall was wrapped around, on the Friday: 2.77m (16.9%) inc +1, not tape-checked. Nothing else above 2.20m (which we sort of knew anyway). Sunday's post-Downton edition got 2.92m (16.6%)."
Quick bit of maths... 2.77m - 2.20m is... oh, look at that... 500k or half a million. I doubt very much that the BBC has based any decision on the viewing figures for
one
night. It does, however, support my earlier comments that if the News at Ten had a stronger lead-in it would attract more viewers. The changes proposed by the Corporation have been in the pipeline for a few weeks and were discussed on the Guardian website nearly two months ago.
Ha, you ought to find the book about Pavlov's dogs and how it links to human psychology. We aren't that different really.
What? Dogs and humans can be trained using a stimuli/response method to embed behaviour. So therefore, we're the same as dogs and I shouldn't form an opinion of a person but should instead only consider the last point they made because you've decided that makes common sense.
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You're like Jan Moir you are.
LMAO, Oh that's hilarious, the funniest thing I've ever read here, hahahahahahah... what? You're being serious??? Because I agree with her on one single thing? You really don't know much about me do you?
No, not because you agree with her on one single thing. Because you think you're right and everyone else is wrong, unless they agree with you. You're like Jan Moir you are.
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Oh, pull the other one, it's got as bell on it. He summarises his own editorial viewpoint, nothing more. To even think he might be summarising 'popular opinion' is over-pretentious twaddle. Magazine programmes and opinion shows are where popular opinion should be gauged, by use of viewer polls, and other such methods. And even then, it can be easily biased by how the questions are constructed. To think that a news programme not only should but could summarise it, without even performing any polling of the public to find out what they think, is something out of cloud cuckoo land.
BONG and what a whopper it is, a right clanger. I'll wait for OfCom to make the call on whether or not NaT is in contravention of broadcasting law thanks.
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Thanks goodness you've got the Mail for the facts now that News at Ten is so opinionated.
The Daily Fail??? for facts?!?!? LMAO!!!
Oh that's rich! That's like saying that Fox News is fair and balanced. You're so biased yourself with your hatred of the right wing, that you refuse to acknowledge when one of them gets something right for once, rare event as that is. You even go so far as to veer off into fantasyland, and say things that evidence just does not back up. If it was the only newspaper in the world, I still wouldn't buy the Daily Fail. So, come on back to the real world. Fantasyland looks great, but the workmanship on all the false fronts ain't designed to stand up to the rigours of real life.
Our of interest, does
anybody
have actual ratings figures for both the BBC and ITV bulletins? I've seen very little out there and the whole 'half a million in three weeks' statistic I'm taking with a pinch of salt.
As discussed on another forum, "the only weekday ITV News at Ten to make the Broadcast top 100 overnights chart for last week (ending 25 October) was the one Skyfall was wrapped around, on the Friday: 2.77m (16.9%) inc +1, not tape-checked. Nothing else above 2.20m (which we sort of knew anyway). Sunday's post-Downton edition got 2.92m (16.6%)."
Quick bit of maths... 2.77m - 2.20m is... oh, look at that... 500k or half a million. I doubt very much that the BBC has based any decision on the viewing figures for
one
night. It does, however, support my earlier comments that if the News at Ten had a stronger lead-in it would attract more viewers. The changes proposed by the Corporation have been in the pipeline for a few weeks and were discussed on the Guardian website nearly two months ago.
If that Times report is based on that edition of itv News at Ten that got 2.77m sandwiched in between Skyfall (from a base of 2.2m), the point about Tom Ego Bradby adding more viewers is rather redundant - given that that was a Friday and Bradby doesn't present on Fridays.
I would retract my point if anyone can dig out evidence that the ratings have been sustained at 2.7m since that Friday, of course (other than the Sunday 2.92m edition after Downton Abbey).
In any case, BBC still ahead. As for Robert Peston, I'm sure millions of current BBC News viewers will flock to itv to hear his dulcet tones come 2016. That's what happened with Susanna Reid, after all
Last edited by Custard56 on 2 November 2015 7:59pm - 5 times in total
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