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BBC World [soon to be BBC World News]

(July 2006)

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noggin Founding member
cldsle posted:
Am i the only one who have notice over the last 2-3 months there are more ads on BBC WORLD. We hardly get to see the breakfillers.
programs have been cut to go to commercial breaks.

They also increase the number of commercial minutes sold to advertisers. Are they feeling the pinch from the commercial sector.

It is all about the money.

it could also be the reach of bbc world and the confidence from advertisers.
will all the cash be shared with all the stiff compitition from AJE, CNN, SKY, FOX, FRANCE 24, and others.


I think you are thinking about this backwards!

BBC World has been loss-making for much of its history - which means although it isn't directly funded by the licence fee - it can be regarded as costing the BBC licence fee payers money as it is subsidised by other commercial income that would otherwise be used to fund the BBCs domestic operations.

If advertisers finally want to advertise on BBC World (the main reason the breakfiller was so interesting and well produced for so long was because it had such a large audience in some territories where there were few advertisers interested in advertising on the channel - and replacing the breakfiller with money generating commercials!) then this is a sign of success - not a commercial pinch being felt.

In fact an increase in advertising - which may allow the service to reduce its loss or even move into profit (which would go back to the BBC) - is a sign of the opposite of a commercial pinch isn't it?
EY
the eye
nice shot...

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SN
The SNT Three
Dodgy toth there...

EDIT: Seems my FTPs busted.
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the eye
says not found.......
CL
cldsle
noggin posted:
cldsle posted:
Am i the only one who have notice over the last 2-3 months there are more ads on BBC WORLD. We hardly get to see the breakfillers.
programs have been cut to go to commercial breaks.

They also increase the number of commercial minutes sold to advertisers. Are they feeling the pinch from the commercial sector.

It is all about the money.

it could also be the reach of bbc world and the confidence from advertisers.
will all the cash be shared with all the stiff compitition from AJE, CNN, SKY, FOX, FRANCE 24, and others.


I think you are thinking about this backwards!

BBC World has been loss-making for much of its history - which means although it isn't directly funded by the licence fee - it can be regarded as costing the BBC licence fee payers money as it is subsidised by other commercial income that would otherwise be used to fund the BBCs domestic operations.

If advertisers finally want to advertise on BBC World (the main reason the breakfiller was so interesting and well produced for so long was because it had such a large audience in some territories where there were few advertisers interested in advertising on the channel - and replacing the breakfiller with money generating commercials!) then this is a sign of success - not a commercial pinch being felt.

In fact an increase in advertising - which may allow the service to reduce its loss or even move into profit (which would go back to the BBC) - is a sign of the opposite of a commercial pinch isn't it?


when i say they (BBC WORLD) is feeling the pinch from the commercial sector i mean, they have to make a quick profit and turn the looses around. in doing that they will dump down the content and advertisers will have more say. they will have to do this for their survival. haven't you notice the changes, a lot of human interest stories and come sensantional headlines.
eg. Heather Mills making the headlines after she went on extra the tabloid show in the US. it wasn't suppose to be a headline. that is just one example.
BB
BBC LDN
cldsle posted:
noggin posted:
cldsle posted:
Am i the only one who have notice over the last 2-3 months there are more ads on BBC WORLD. We hardly get to see the breakfillers.
programs have been cut to go to commercial breaks.

They also increase the number of commercial minutes sold to advertisers. Are they feeling the pinch from the commercial sector.

It is all about the money.

it could also be the reach of bbc world and the confidence from advertisers.
will all the cash be shared with all the stiff compitition from AJE, CNN, SKY, FOX, FRANCE 24, and others.


I think you are thinking about this backwards!

BBC World has been loss-making for much of its history - which means although it isn't directly funded by the licence fee - it can be regarded as costing the BBC licence fee payers money as it is subsidised by other commercial income that would otherwise be used to fund the BBCs domestic operations.

If advertisers finally want to advertise on BBC World (the main reason the breakfiller was so interesting and well produced for so long was because it had such a large audience in some territories where there were few advertisers interested in advertising on the channel - and replacing the breakfiller with money generating commercials!) then this is a sign of success - not a commercial pinch being felt.

In fact an increase in advertising - which may allow the service to reduce its loss or even move into profit (which would go back to the BBC) - is a sign of the opposite of a commercial pinch isn't it?


when i say they (BBC WORLD) is feeling the pinch from the commercial sector i mean, they have to make a quick profit and turn the looses around. in doing that they will dump down the content and advertisers will have more say. they will have to do this for their survival. haven't you notice the changes, a lot of human interest stories and come sensantional headlines.
eg. Heather Mills making the headlines after she went on extra the tabloid show in the US. it wasn't suppose to be a headline. that is just one example.


BBC World hasn't suddenly become a commercial channel overnight - if they were going to bow to commercial pressures to influence their news agenda in order to generate greater revenues, it would have happened a long, long time ago, and the channel wouldn't be anything like it currently is.

And where is the correlation between human interest stories and increased revenue?

With regards to coverage of the Heather Mills McCartney saga, this is hardly a change in direction. Every major newscaster is covering developments in that 'story', irrespective of whether or not one may wish to call it "news" or "fluff". BBC News 24 in the UK had one of its own correspondents live at Virgin Megastore at Piccadilly Circus in London to cover Sir Paul McCartney's album signing only yesterday, and it was extensively linked to Heather Mills McCartney's TV interview - and yet the BBC in the UK isn't subjected to the commercial pressures that you highlight, so again, I don't quite see what point you're trying to make.

Celebrity issues do creep into mainstream news agendas as a matter of course - from the OJ Simpson trial to continued focus on Michael Jackson, it's not a new phenomenon, nor is it one that is forced upon networks as a result of commercial pressures by their benefactors. It's a simple by-product of the world that we live in that many viewers are interested in - or obsessed with - celebrity lives. Spending a few minutes over a few hours on a celebrity story has nothing to do with bowing to commercial pressures to guarantee additional revenues.

When we start seeing 45-minute shows several times a day, such as "Hollywood - Who's F*cking Who?", sponsored by Hello! magazine, on BBC World, then I might take a bit more notice of what you're saying.

But at the moment, your collection of disjointed ramblings isn't really coming together to make any kind of coherent point.
CL
cldsle
BBC LDN posted:
cldsle posted:
noggin posted:
cldsle posted:
Am i the only one who have notice over the last 2-3 months there are more ads on BBC WORLD. We hardly get to see the breakfillers.
programs have been cut to go to commercial breaks.

They also increase the number of commercial minutes sold to advertisers. Are they feeling the pinch from the commercial sector.

It is all about the money.

it could also be the reach of bbc world and the confidence from advertisers.
will all the cash be shared with all the stiff compitition from AJE, CNN, SKY, FOX, FRANCE 24, and others.


I think you are thinking about this backwards!

BBC World has been loss-making for much of its history - which means although it isn't directly funded by the licence fee - it can be regarded as costing the BBC licence fee payers money as it is subsidised by other commercial income that would otherwise be used to fund the BBCs domestic operations.

If advertisers finally want to advertise on BBC World (the main reason the breakfiller was so interesting and well produced for so long was because it had such a large audience in some territories where there were few advertisers interested in advertising on the channel - and replacing the breakfiller with money generating commercials!) then this is a sign of success - not a commercial pinch being felt.

In fact an increase in advertising - which may allow the service to reduce its loss or even move into profit (which would go back to the BBC) - is a sign of the opposite of a commercial pinch isn't it?


when i say they (BBC WORLD) is feeling the pinch from the commercial sector i mean, they have to make a quick profit and turn the looses around. in doing that they will dump down the content and advertisers will have more say. they will have to do this for their survival. haven't you notice the changes, a lot of human interest stories and come sensantional headlines.
eg. Heather Mills making the headlines after she went on extra the tabloid show in the US. it wasn't suppose to be a headline. that is just one example.


BBC World hasn't suddenly become a commercial channel overnight - if they were going to bow to commercial pressures to influence their news agenda in order to generate greater revenues, it would have happened a long, long time ago, and the channel wouldn't be anything like it currently is.

And where is the correlation between human interest stories and increased revenue?

With regards to coverage of the Heather Mills McCartney saga, this is hardly a change in direction. Every major newscaster is covering developments in that 'story', irrespective of whether or not one may wish to call it "news" or "fluff". BBC News 24 in the UK had one of its own correspondents live at Virgin Megastore at Piccadilly Circus in London to cover Sir Paul McCartney's album signing only yesterday, and it was extensively linked to Heather Mills McCartney's TV interview - and yet the BBC in the UK isn't subjected to the commercial pressures that you highlight, so again, I don't quite see what point you're trying to make.

Celebrity issues do creep into mainstream news agendas as a matter of course - from the OJ Simpson trial to continued focus on Michael Jackson, it's not a new phenomenon, nor is it one that is forced upon networks as a result of commercial pressures by their benefactors. It's a simple by-product of the world that we live in that many viewers are interested in - or obsessed with - celebrity lives. Spending a few minutes over a few hours on a celebrity story has nothing to do with bowing to commercial pressures to guarantee additional revenues.

When we start seeing 45-minute shows several times a day, such as "Hollywood - Who's F*cking Who?", sponsored by Hello! magazine, on BBC World, then I might take a bit more notice of what you're saying.

But at the moment, your collection of disjointed ramblings isn't really coming together to make any kind of coherent point.


Please don't get me wrong. BBC WORLD is a good channel but is can be disjointed at times. their journalism is very high if compared to the CNN, FOX and others. Hopefully they can turn things around. Don't we all want this to happened.
Please we don't want to see this"Hollywood - Who's F*cking Who?", sponsored by Hello! magazine". Laughing
TV
archiveTV
Last night BBC World was voted the best Internatonal TV Channel by the Association of International Broadcasting, for its "excellent coverage of stories and high presentation values"
EY
the eye
tower, ticker and straps have all froze on bbc world! no graphics on screen now.
BB
BBC LDN
archiveTV posted:
Last night BBC World was voted the best Internatonal TV Channel by the Association of International Broadcasting, for its "excellent coverage of stories and high presentation values"


I think it speaks volumes about the BBC's quality - and the fact that it's really not bowing down to the pressures of external influences - that it won three of the nine categories being contested in those awards.

I believe it's also a great testament to the strengths of British broadcasting that Sky News added to that success with its own award for its coverage of the London bombings last year.

That said, I was mildly amused to see that one of the reasons given for BBC World's award as International Channel of the Year was its "high presentation values".
SN
The SNT Three
BBC World has just been carrying News 24 on the radiation search. Sophie is an excellent presenter.

Back now with Mike Embley in the World Newsroom.
HA
harshy Founding member
BBC LDN posted:
archiveTV posted:
Last night BBC World was voted the best Internatonal TV Channel by the Association of International Broadcasting, for its "excellent coverage of stories and high presentation values"


I think it speaks volumes about the BBC's quality - and the fact that it's really not bowing down to the pressures of external influences - that it won three of the nine categories being contested in those awards.

I believe it's also a great testament to the strengths of British broadcasting that Sky News added to that success with its own award for its coverage of the London bombings last year.

That said, I was mildly amused to see that one of the reasons given for BBC World's award as International Channel of the Year was its "high presentation values".


Yep I was wondering that too BBC LDN, sure in terms of news coverage, the BBC deserves this award, but I wouldn't say BBC World has "high presentation values".

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