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i guess there may be some difference on those NTSC and PAL satellite feeds...
darn, why don't they do it just like DW-TV?
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EDIT: i'll take a picture on how is it look like here... the ticker is really got higher!
DW-TV do it incorrectly?
theBlockerPH posted:
the eye posted:
It's been widescreen in NZ since Tuesday.
i guess there may be some difference on those NTSC and PAL satellite feeds...
darn, why don't they do it just like DW-TV?
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EDIT: i'll take a picture on how is it look like here... the ticker is really got higher!
DW-TV do it incorrectly?
NG
i guess there may be some difference on those NTSC and PAL satellite feeds...
darn, why don't they do it just like DW-TV?
Well DW-TV were broadcasting in the wrong aspect ratio for months in the UK. (16:9 content flagged as 4:3)
noggin
Founding member
theBlockerPH posted:
the eye posted:
It's been widescreen in NZ since Tuesday.
i guess there may be some difference on those NTSC and PAL satellite feeds...
darn, why don't they do it just like DW-TV?
Well DW-TV were broadcasting in the wrong aspect ratio for months in the UK. (16:9 content flagged as 4:3)
CO
Ok, I don't really know much about 16:9, 4:3... those numbers are rather mysterios to me. The fact is that I have a very normal tv (not widescreen or whatever) and now that BBC WN has switched to 16:9 it's just a mess. Should I switch to 16:9 every time I tune into BBC WN (which leaves two thick black bars on the top and bottom of the screen)?
PH
Unfortunately the fact that 16:9 broadcasting is relatively new means that until there are no more 4:3 television sets left in the world, some people will either have to put up with black bars or a 4:3 cropped picture with information cut off from time to time. BBC World News doesn't broadcast on an analogue signal any more (which was always 4:3), so all digital signals around the world should be in 16:9 by now. You should set your digital set-top box to either 4:3 cropped or 16:9 letterbox (which ever you prefer) until such time that you own a widescreen television.
cortomaltese posted:
Ok, I don't really know much about 16:9, 4:3... those numbers are rather mysterios to me. The fact is that I have a very normal tv (not widescreen or whatever) and now that BBC WN has switched to 16:9 it's just a mess. Should I switch to 16:9 every time I tune into BBC WN (which leaves two thick black bars on the top and bottom of the screen)?
Unfortunately the fact that 16:9 broadcasting is relatively new means that until there are no more 4:3 television sets left in the world, some people will either have to put up with black bars or a 4:3 cropped picture with information cut off from time to time. BBC World News doesn't broadcast on an analogue signal any more (which was always 4:3), so all digital signals around the world should be in 16:9 by now. You should set your digital set-top box to either 4:3 cropped or 16:9 letterbox (which ever you prefer) until such time that you own a widescreen television.
CO
Thanks.
Isn't Aljazeera already broadcasting in 16:9? 'Cause I can see Aljazeera perfectly, definitely not as cropped as World News now looks.
Isn't Aljazeera already broadcasting in 16:9? 'Cause I can see Aljazeera perfectly, definitely not as cropped as World News now looks.
NG
No - AIUI Al Jazeera are doing what BBC World used to do. They are producing their content in 16:9 (HD in the case of AJE, SD in the case of BBC World) - but AJE are broadcasting this in 4:3 - with the content letterboxed to 14:9 (as BBC World used to be)
This is fine for 4:3 TV viewers - however now that it is almost impossible to buy 4:3 TVs, and in many parts of the world (large chunks of Europe, lots of Aus and NZ) 4:3 production is now also dead and lots of households now have 16:9 TVs, more and more broadcasters like BBC World, DWTV etc. are switching to 16:9 broadcasting.
This means if you have a 16:9 (i.e. widescreen) TV and receive the right version of these channels you get a full-screen image - rather than a stretched, cropped image or a tiny image surrrounded by black bars.
HOWEVER - as most set-top boxes don't offer the 14:9 letterbox format previously used by BBC World you now have to chose between 4:3 centre-cut out (where more of the left and right is chopped off than in 14:9 letterbox) or 16:9 letterbox (where you see more of the image than in 14:9 letterbox, but it is smaller and has thicker black bars top and bottom)
In some cases, if you are still receiving a 4:3 broadcast from a local re-broadcaster this decision will have been taken by the local re-broadcaster. In other cases it will be a configuration option in your set-top box.
I - for one - am glad that BBC World has started broadcasting in 16:9 - only TEN years after their studio switched to the format.
(All the BBC domestic SD channels switched to 16:9 when they launched on digital in 1998.)
noggin
Founding member
cortomaltese posted:
Thanks.
Isn't Aljazeera already broadcasting in 16:9? 'Cause I can see Aljazeera perfectly, definitely not as cropped as World News now looks.
Isn't Aljazeera already broadcasting in 16:9? 'Cause I can see Aljazeera perfectly, definitely not as cropped as World News now looks.
No - AIUI Al Jazeera are doing what BBC World used to do. They are producing their content in 16:9 (HD in the case of AJE, SD in the case of BBC World) - but AJE are broadcasting this in 4:3 - with the content letterboxed to 14:9 (as BBC World used to be)
This is fine for 4:3 TV viewers - however now that it is almost impossible to buy 4:3 TVs, and in many parts of the world (large chunks of Europe, lots of Aus and NZ) 4:3 production is now also dead and lots of households now have 16:9 TVs, more and more broadcasters like BBC World, DWTV etc. are switching to 16:9 broadcasting.
This means if you have a 16:9 (i.e. widescreen) TV and receive the right version of these channels you get a full-screen image - rather than a stretched, cropped image or a tiny image surrrounded by black bars.
HOWEVER - as most set-top boxes don't offer the 14:9 letterbox format previously used by BBC World you now have to chose between 4:3 centre-cut out (where more of the left and right is chopped off than in 14:9 letterbox) or 16:9 letterbox (where you see more of the image than in 14:9 letterbox, but it is smaller and has thicker black bars top and bottom)
In some cases, if you are still receiving a 4:3 broadcast from a local re-broadcaster this decision will have been taken by the local re-broadcaster. In other cases it will be a configuration option in your set-top box.
I - for one - am glad that BBC World has started broadcasting in 16:9 - only TEN years after their studio switched to the format.
(All the BBC domestic SD channels switched to 16:9 when they launched on digital in 1998.)
DA
I presume (although i know you will have a better understanding than me) they didn't switch to widescreen back then due to the fact it wasn't a common format globally?
Wasn't this purely on digital services only? ISTR BBC One & BBC Two had seperate presentation areas for the analogue & digital versions for the first year or two?
Davidjb
Founding member
noggin posted:
I - for one - am glad that BBC World has started broadcasting in 16:9 - only TEN years after their studio switched to the format.
I presume (although i know you will have a better understanding than me) they didn't switch to widescreen back then due to the fact it wasn't a common format globally?
noggin posted:
All the BBC domestic SD channels switched to 16:9 when they launched on digital in 1998.
Wasn't this purely on digital services only? ISTR BBC One & BBC Two had seperate presentation areas for the analogue & digital versions for the first year or two?
NG
I presume (although i know you will have a better understanding than me) they didn't switch to widescreen back then due to the fact it wasn't a common format globally?
Think that was partially the reason.
In 1999 BBC World was not exactly flush with cash, and there was no major commercial reason to go widescreen back then, and the costs of upgrading the 4:3 PAL analogue playout area would have been prohibitive. Back then 16:9 digital production was still in its infancy - and cutting edge for a reasonably well funded domestic operation - let alone a shoe-string commercial news channel.
Wasn't this purely on digital services only? ISTR BBC One & BBC Two had seperate presentation areas for the analogue & digital versions for the first year or two?
Yes - though this was more so that different trails etc. could be run on the two networks (so analogue viewers didn't get bombarded with trails for shows on BBC Choice - and also to allow different masters of movies etc. to be shown - 4:3 pan and scan on analogue and 16:9 on digital)
noggin
Founding member
Davidjb posted:
noggin posted:
I - for one - am glad that BBC World has started broadcasting in 16:9 - only TEN years after their studio switched to the format.
I presume (although i know you will have a better understanding than me) they didn't switch to widescreen back then due to the fact it wasn't a common format globally?
Think that was partially the reason.
In 1999 BBC World was not exactly flush with cash, and there was no major commercial reason to go widescreen back then, and the costs of upgrading the 4:3 PAL analogue playout area would have been prohibitive. Back then 16:9 digital production was still in its infancy - and cutting edge for a reasonably well funded domestic operation - let alone a shoe-string commercial news channel.
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noggin posted:
All the BBC domestic SD channels switched to 16:9 when they launched on digital in 1998.
Wasn't this purely on digital services only? ISTR BBC One & BBC Two had seperate presentation areas for the analogue & digital versions for the first year or two?
Yes - though this was more so that different trails etc. could be run on the two networks (so analogue viewers didn't get bombarded with trails for shows on BBC Choice - and also to allow different masters of movies etc. to be shown - 4:3 pan and scan on analogue and 16:9 on digital)