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Well, I had my head in a cupboard looking for an old "all-blue" Sky remote, and found one that still works! The Panasonic box duly found BBC World (courtesy of a very retro-looking Sky Guide
). However, it then wanted me to insert the paired viewing card to view the channel.
I rang Sky to see if their was a way round this for FTA channels; unfortunately their systems are down. Although I have a number of old viewing cards, there is no way Sky can pair one with my old box as they don't transmit from 19.2E to activate the pairing. I can resolve that issue, I'm sure, after 11pm when my Sky+ will have finished recording Big Brother and I can mess about with the feed from 28 degrees.
itsrobert posted:
No worries. Do let us know if you manage to pick up BBC World!
Well, I had my head in a cupboard looking for an old "all-blue" Sky remote, and found one that still works! The Panasonic box duly found BBC World (courtesy of a very retro-looking Sky Guide
). However, it then wanted me to insert the paired viewing card to view the channel.
I rang Sky to see if their was a way round this for FTA channels; unfortunately their systems are down. Although I have a number of old viewing cards, there is no way Sky can pair one with my old box as they don't transmit from 19.2E to activate the pairing. I can resolve that issue, I'm sure, after 11pm when my Sky+ will have finished recording Big Brother and I can mess about with the feed from 28 degrees.
GI
So once again, just like in red/cream era , BBC World will have a better set.
From what we can see in thos caps, it looks great. I wonder what is on the other side, maybe a sofa like for Breakfast.
The whole channel will look so much better. Right now I have a feeling it's not the same channel when they broadcast Sport Today or WNT from that dark, strange set.
Also I hope they will have a proper ending to their bulletins and not those strange pauses and cuts to the weather.
Another thing I like on CNN, everything goes so smoothly and you always know you'r watching CNN.
From what we can see in thos caps, it looks great. I wonder what is on the other side, maybe a sofa like for Breakfast.
The whole channel will look so much better. Right now I have a feeling it's not the same channel when they broadcast Sport Today or WNT from that dark, strange set.
Also I hope they will have a proper ending to their bulletins and not those strange pauses and cuts to the weather.
Another thing I like on CNN, everything goes so smoothly and you always know you'r watching CNN.
WO
Very well put and i'm hoping that the BBC will take some notice of this and possibly reconsider a reshuffle of the News Channel and BBC World News. The BBC News Channel set is OK now they've rectified the gashed screen but there are a hell of a lot of technical problems that just are not being addressed and really need to be by Senior BBC News Management.
What I can't understand is that BBC World News is more suited to a proper studio than the news room whereas the BBC News Channel is more suited to a News Room based set.
From what I understand though, the revamp of N6 did come to more (in cost of upgrades) than N8 has done thus far.
And when you're watching the BBC News Channel you watch a channel being held together by Vinegar and Paper and wonder what will go wrong next.
M@ posted:
Why do the license-free payers have to put up with watching the news from a broom cupboard that's laden with technical problems while those that pay a significantly cheaper subscription get what looks to be a very nice looking studio that actually matches the new titles.
Looks like it's going to be an even greater shame we can't legally get BBC World in Britain.
Looks like it's going to be an even greater shame we can't legally get BBC World in Britain.
Very well put and i'm hoping that the BBC will take some notice of this and possibly reconsider a reshuffle of the News Channel and BBC World News. The BBC News Channel set is OK now they've rectified the gashed screen but there are a hell of a lot of technical problems that just are not being addressed and really need to be by Senior BBC News Management.
What I can't understand is that BBC World News is more suited to a proper studio than the news room whereas the BBC News Channel is more suited to a News Room based set.
From what I understand though, the revamp of N6 did come to more (in cost of upgrades) than N8 has done thus far.
ginnyfan posted:
That another thing I like on CNN, everything goes so smoothly and you always know you'r watching CNN.
And when you're watching the BBC News Channel you watch a channel being held together by Vinegar and Paper and wonder what will go wrong next.
TR
The BBC should be putting far more effort into its domestic news presentation than it currently is. The new world news set is far superior than that of the News24/THE news channel/BBC news channel or whatever its called this week.
The uk news channel set is a dire squashed box full of badly hung screens which appears to be jerry built. If you cant get a half decent colour temperature balance between screens then they should never have been installed. The top of that desk is looking very rough after only a few months & some of the lighting is distinctly dodgy.
If domestic news is presented in a cheap tatty set where you really can see the joins, it tends to reflect on the respect the audience has to the journalism.
The uk news channel set is a dire squashed box full of badly hung screens which appears to be jerry built. If you cant get a half decent colour temperature balance between screens then they should never have been installed. The top of that desk is looking very rough after only a few months & some of the lighting is distinctly dodgy.
If domestic news is presented in a cheap tatty set where you really can see the joins, it tends to reflect on the respect the audience has to the journalism.
EO
I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day the BBC is being economical with your money by choosing not to spend it on encryption. Would you rather your money be spent on programmes or on preventing others seeing said programmes?
And what about those who do actually pay for BBC's UK channels, like in Ireland and the Netherlands? I see no difference between local broadcasters buying rights to BBC shows and cable providers buying rights to entire stations. Admittedly we're watching programmes originally produced for and paid for by British audiences but at the end of the day it's more money being pumped back in to the BBC, keeping the cost of the licence fee lower.
itsrobert posted:
...my personal feeling is that no BBC domestic channels should be viewable outside of the British Isles. After all, we have to pay a hefty licence fee for those channels so it isn't fair for people in Europe to be enjoying programming for which we have to foot the bill.
I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day the BBC is being economical with your money by choosing not to spend it on encryption. Would you rather your money be spent on programmes or on preventing others seeing said programmes?
And what about those who do actually pay for BBC's UK channels, like in Ireland and the Netherlands? I see no difference between local broadcasters buying rights to BBC shows and cable providers buying rights to entire stations. Admittedly we're watching programmes originally produced for and paid for by British audiences but at the end of the day it's more money being pumped back in to the BBC, keeping the cost of the licence fee lower.
IT
I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day the BBC is being economical with your money by choosing not to spend it on encryption. Would you rather your money be spent on programmes or on preventing others seeing said programmes?
And what about those who do actually pay for BBC's UK channels, like in Ireland and the Netherlands? I see no difference between local broadcasters buying rights to BBC shows and cable providers buying rights to entire stations. Admittedly we're watching programmes originally produced for and paid for by British audiences but at the end of the day it's more money being pumped back in to the BBC, keeping the cost of the licence fee lower.
If the BBC is being paid by foreign countries for the rights to their programmes, then that's fine - it's all legit and the BBC is getting extra funding. What I have a problem with is someone installing a satellite dish, buying a cheap receiver and being able to enjoy all of the BBC's domestic output that we, the British people, have to pay for - and it doesn't come cheap, either. Otherwise, we may as well all move to Europe and enjoy our own television for free, too. We'd also benefit from getting out of the mess that is this country and we'd probably all be a lot safer too! But, that's another story...
itsrobert
Founding member
pickle104 posted:
itsrobert posted:
...my personal feeling is that no BBC domestic channels should be viewable outside of the British Isles. After all, we have to pay a hefty licence fee for those channels so it isn't fair for people in Europe to be enjoying programming for which we have to foot the bill.
I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day the BBC is being economical with your money by choosing not to spend it on encryption. Would you rather your money be spent on programmes or on preventing others seeing said programmes?
And what about those who do actually pay for BBC's UK channels, like in Ireland and the Netherlands? I see no difference between local broadcasters buying rights to BBC shows and cable providers buying rights to entire stations. Admittedly we're watching programmes originally produced for and paid for by British audiences but at the end of the day it's more money being pumped back in to the BBC, keeping the cost of the licence fee lower.
If the BBC is being paid by foreign countries for the rights to their programmes, then that's fine - it's all legit and the BBC is getting extra funding. What I have a problem with is someone installing a satellite dish, buying a cheap receiver and being able to enjoy all of the BBC's domestic output that we, the British people, have to pay for - and it doesn't come cheap, either. Otherwise, we may as well all move to Europe and enjoy our own television for free, too. We'd also benefit from getting out of the mess that is this country and we'd probably all be a lot safer too! But, that's another story...
SP
"and it doesn't come cheap, either"
This argument always mystifies me - eight TV channels, countless Radio stations, an online offering with a comprehensive news and sport site as well as things like the iPlayer.
24 hours a day, year in year out. Something for most people too.
Pretty damn cheap really in my book when you look at the daily cost.
This argument always mystifies me - eight TV channels, countless Radio stations, an online offering with a comprehensive news and sport site as well as things like the iPlayer.
24 hours a day, year in year out. Something for most people too.
Pretty damn cheap really in my book when you look at the daily cost.
IT
I'm not saying that the licence fee is too much. I quite agree that for what we pay, we get an awful lot from the BBC. But, that's just it - what WE pay. The point I'm making is that the licence fee is sufficiently high so as to make it unfair to us that people living outside of the UK can watch the BBC domestic channels effectively for free.
itsrobert
Founding member
spotlightsouthwest posted:
"and it doesn't come cheap, either"
This argument always mystifies me - eight TV channels, countless Radio stations, an online offering with a comprehensive news and sport site as well as things like the iPlayer.
24 hours a day, year in year out. Something for most people too.
Pretty damn cheap really in my book when you look at the daily cost.
This argument always mystifies me - eight TV channels, countless Radio stations, an online offering with a comprehensive news and sport site as well as things like the iPlayer.
24 hours a day, year in year out. Something for most people too.
Pretty damn cheap really in my book when you look at the daily cost.
I'm not saying that the licence fee is too much. I quite agree that for what we pay, we get an awful lot from the BBC. But, that's just it - what WE pay. The point I'm making is that the licence fee is sufficiently high so as to make it unfair to us that people living outside of the UK can watch the BBC domestic channels effectively for free.
WO
So the BBC can fork out on renovating a set and making it far more dynamic than that of the BBC News Channel set that is already falling to pieces 2 months after a relaunch.
Screens with different colour tints, the floor (even though it is now black) is beginning to wear by the far fall with white scuffs on it - the screens (where on all the time) are beginning to be coming apart from each other, the top of the desk is ink stained (very apparent on the Birdseye Paper Review cam), the wide angled shot camera at the TOH; seems to have some issues with image stablilisation and can't zoom in with juddering all over the place, floor staff walking in front of the cameras frequently, graphics crashing frequently, TOH sequences that seem to get messed up nearly every hour, the poor presenters that seem to be on the receiving end of constant gallery mistakes and problems.
I'm sorry if I may have gone off on a tangent - but all the above issues, whether minor or serious hamper the BBC News Channel on a daily or even hourly basis.
Someone at the BBC please take this on board please, because it is really beginning to escalate out of control. For a starting point, get some technical competence restored! I'm not defending Sky News because of course that channel has it troubles from time to time, but at least you can get the news (albeit very wingified) without something going wrong.
Also the BBC can fork out on good sets and such like for one off entertainment programmes while the flagship news service is being held together by Filler and a wing and a prayer.
Sorry if I shouted there but it drives me up the wall seeing a Channel run by the BBC being run into the floor - and it seemingly being ignored.
Screens with different colour tints, the floor (even though it is now black) is beginning to wear by the far fall with white scuffs on it - the screens (where on all the time) are beginning to be coming apart from each other, the top of the desk is ink stained (very apparent on the Birdseye Paper Review cam), the wide angled shot camera at the TOH; seems to have some issues with image stablilisation and can't zoom in with juddering all over the place, floor staff walking in front of the cameras frequently, graphics crashing frequently, TOH sequences that seem to get messed up nearly every hour, the poor presenters that seem to be on the receiving end of constant gallery mistakes and problems.
I'm sorry if I may have gone off on a tangent - but all the above issues, whether minor or serious hamper the BBC News Channel on a daily or even hourly basis.
Someone at the BBC please take this on board please, because it is really beginning to escalate out of control. For a starting point, get some technical competence restored! I'm not defending Sky News because of course that channel has it troubles from time to time, but at least you can get the news (albeit very wingified) without something going wrong.
Also the BBC can fork out on good sets and such like for one off entertainment programmes while the flagship news service is being held together by Filler and a wing and a prayer.
Sorry if I shouted there but it drives me up the wall seeing a Channel run by the BBC being run into the floor - and it seemingly being ignored.
AS
theirs pics of the presenters sitting on the bbc world news today website http://www.bbcworldnews.com/Pages/ProgrammeFeature.aspx?id=137&FeatureID=438