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Rkolsen1,387 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
Why do they look better in C? Can B not do the same colour effects?



I got to admit those branded shows look much better in Studio C, there's so much you can do with that studio and BBC World News knows how to get the best out of these studios using these fantastic colour schemes that these branded programmes use.


I can see what you mean. I think it may have to do with the lighting. The overall studio is much brighter with light boxes throughout.
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Charles461 posts since 11 Nov 2009
BBC World
I've long said that Studio B is a really unpleasant environment for television. Just take a look here (screengrab thanks to ginnyfan):

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What makes it look so poor is how much dark, wasted space can be seen in most of the shots. The matte finish on the floor looks so dull. It would have looked so much better with a glossy finish that could have reflected the set. Secondly, while the studio is large and rather high, the set doesn't really use the height to its potential. That means there's a lot of darkness above it, and because all the monitors on that side of the set are spaced pretty far apart, many of the shots have to show a lot of black at the top and the bottom of the screen. And I'm fine with lightboxes and colorful sets, but the LED lighting isn't very well focused on anything, so it looks really washed out while also letting off that cold blue that LEDs are prone to do. Lastly, the two parts of the set are completely disjointed. Aside from Victoria Live (I think), most of the shows tend to stick to either one side or the other. That just seems like a wasted opportunity for such a large studio. Imagine what they could have done had the set been designed as one large environment rather than two mostly separate ones.

Then compare that to Studio C. While it's much smaller, you don't see very much of a dull floor at all, the set is built to its proper height, the monitors all have more definition to them than in B, and all the lightboxes let off a warmer and more focused glow. I also think the fact that it's circular and features those crazy cameras on rails means that while there are fewer shots overall, they are all lit properly and all have great depth of field.

I think one of the best examples of C looking its greatest is for Hardtalk. Had they moved it from A to B, they probably would have set up the show in front of the big video wall, and there wouldn't have been very much to look at. But in C, the show has a very nice two-shot of Stephen and the guest, and then the guest has a really nice, clean backdrop of one of the huge monitors from behind. The desk is a little awkward for an interview show, but it still works really well.
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Rkolsen1,387 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
I've long said that Studio B is a really unpleasant environment for television. Just take a look here (screengrab thanks to ginnyfan):




You just described what I was thinking.

On an unrelated note why are the astons on recorded programs such as those on Reporters, Africa Business Report and the weekly compilation of Newsnight not flush with the ticker? Some recorded programs have it where it is properly slighted where others are a several pixels higher where it is visibly noticeable.

Also a while back I asked how are commercial breaks and other things handled by Ericsson's playout. I'm wondering if the brief bumper between the bottom of the hour headlines and World Business Report that where the announcer says "Now on BBC World News your daily briefing on business and economics from the worlds financial centers. From New Broadcasting House in London World Business Report." is played out by the gallery or Ericsson? It seems like it would be easiest if it came from the gallery.
noggin12,354 posts since 26 Jun 2001

On an unrelated note why are the astons on recorded programs such as those on Reporters, Africa Business Report and the weekly compilation of Newsnight not flush with the ticker? Some recorded programs have it where it is properly slighted where others are a several pixels higher where it is visibly noticeable.


Long-form pre-recorded shows will have the graphics burned in, rather than played out live from a studio Viz engine. Chances are the graphics that are burned in aren't quite correctly aligned, or during ingest for server playout, or recording, they may have moved (less likely now shows are more likely to be delivered as HD files rather than on SD tape as was the case years ago)

These days you'd think edits would have pixel accurate lower third graphics, and would be able to deliver with no horizontal or vertical shift, but I think some shows have 'DIY' captions made by the editor... And in some cases recording may not be perfectly timed vertically...
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deejay2,577 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Central (South) Oxford
Perhaps you're only used to seeing studio B lit in the Victoria Derbyshire or Newsnight styles, which are predominantly blue. The set looks pretty vibrant when used on some of the other BBC World branded programmes.

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Charles461 posts since 11 Nov 2009
BBC World
That's true that Focus on Africa and Impact do look good from there. I think that's partly because of the warmer palette, but also because that side takes advantage of the height of the studio, it's on less of a curve than the other side, and the riser gives a little more to look at, so there's a lot less black to be seen. But perhaps as a fairer comparison, take a look at the editions of World News from B vs. from C. World News looks pretty dull from B, whereas it's very flexible and perfectly warm in C.
harshy5,405 posts since 24 Mar 2001
Well I did an Impact comparison in Studio B/C, I'm sure if we did the same comparison for Focus on Africa, I'd say it looks better in Studio C for the reasons Charles has stated. BBC World News certainly does because in Studio C you get the virtual London backdrop, on B you just get the BBC News backdrop with frosty blue more prominent.
deejay2,577 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Central (South) Oxford
To be fair, there are only a few regular BBC World News bulletins from Studio B, on Friday afternoons and occasional weekends and holiday periods when Global is off air. The whole point of using Studio B was for the branded programmes to make them look totally different to the news bulletins in C. Branded programmes in B were meant to be sellable to other broadcasters, and that's why alternate shows use the different ends of the set. If they all looked the same, the thinking was broadcasters wouldn't buy individual programmes. Things have evolved a bit, but (in the main) GMT uses the hard set, Impact the soft, Global hard etc. I wouldn't agree that all shows look much better in C. They look different, but not better or worse. There are big constraints to using Studio C which don't apply in B. You can't have more than two guests, it's harder to involve props, items like a studio guest and a dtl guest at the same time and so on. In Studio B you have a camera crew, flexibility and space. You can do music, performance, items standing up, move from one end to the other in vision. Within reason and with some planning, anything goes.
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deejay2,577 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Central (South) Oxford
I've long said that Studio B is a really unpleasant environment for television. Just take a look here (screengrab thanks to ginnyfan):u




You just described what I was thinking.

On an unrelated note why are the astons on recorded programs such as those on Reporters, Africa Business Report and the weekly compilation of Newsnight not flush with the ticker? Some recorded programs have it where it is properly slighted where others are a several pixels higher where it is visibly noticeable.

Also a while back I asked how are commercial breaks and other things handled by Ericsson's playout. I'm wondering if the brief bumper between the bottom of the hour headlines and World Business Report that where the announcer says "Now on BBC World News your daily briefing on business and economics from the worlds financial centers. From New Broadcasting House in London World Business Report." is played out by the gallery or Ericsson? It seems like it would be easiest if it came from the gallery.


The only things coming from the news gallery are the news programmes themselves, everything else is handled by Ericsson. The bumpers are (I think) to enable the splitting of the various advertising regions, also handled by Ericsson, to be done more smoothly than chopping out of the news gallery output directly.

The only exception to this is the This Week in History breakfiller which is played out by the news gallery in xx:15 breaks. This is so that any broadcaster taking that news bulletin and rebroadcasting it gets a clean 26' programme. Apart from overnight, when BBC One / News Channel is taking the joint output, there are no broadcasters that take back half hour bulletins, so breaks at xx:45 aren't filled by the gallery.
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