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14th January 2013 - The Worlds Newsroom (January 2013)

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HA
harshy Founding member
There are two satellites carrying domestic channels - one FTA with a tight beam (Astra 28.2) and one encrypted with a much wider beam (and used as a backup to fibre feeds to the UK terrestrial transmitter network)


I may be about to show my ignorance, but this backup at 27.5W is confusing me. Wouldn't a terrestrial transmitter would require a pre-multiplexed feed, such as they get from the Coding and Mux centre. According to Lyngsat these feeds are DVB-S2 encoded, rather than DVB-T as would be transmitted from a DTT transmitter. That implies that the satellite mux would have to be decoded and recoded (or at least reassembled) at the TX site, particularly as it looks like there are different versions of BBC One in the nations.


I don't think anything too clever happens at the Tx site to use these feeds. Yes, they are in a DVB-S2 wrapper, but I think once decoded to TS level the PIDS/SIDS etc replicate enough of the 'real' CCM feeds, that the cherry picked services (as you say, appropriate versions of BBC 1 and 2) plus the SI data, are then stuffed into a DVB-T encoder, and the domestic receivers are fooled enough to maintain a basic service that replicates the mux ?

It has to work that way, other wise every viewer would have to perform a rescan. I can't find any info
on the scheme, not surprising of course, because you could use the same idea to form 'pirate' broadcasts.


Yep - think the are flagged as data rather than video precisely to allow them to be more "DVB-T/T2" than DVB-S2 video?

Also it dosent show up being tuned in automatically on set top boxes as it's not a regular channel, so never shows up on listing.
DT
DTV
Noticed today that BBC World News have started using clips from old BBC News Reports for little 'On this day...' segments during breaks.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Those have been on for some months. They even get shown (complete with World branding) on the domestic News Channel during Newsday.
HA
harshy Founding member
Those have been on for some months. They even get shown (complete with World branding) on the domestic News Channel during Newsday.

Isnt there some rule that forbids any uk bbc channel from promoting BBC Worldwide channels, it is weird seeing BBC World News branded trailers on the BBC News Channel.
BP
Bob Paisley
Those have been on for some months. They even get shown (complete with World branding) on the domestic News Channel during Newsday.

Isnt there some rule that forbids any uk bbc channel from promoting BBC Worldwide channels, it is weird seeing BBC World News branded trailers on the BBC News Channel.

I was always under the impression it was against European competition law. I'd be surprised if Sky don't raise the issue.
DT
DTV
Those have been on for some months. They even get shown (complete with World branding) on the domestic News Channel during Newsday.

Isnt there some rule that forbids any uk bbc channel from promoting BBC Worldwide channels, it is weird seeing BBC World News branded trailers on the BBC News Channel.

I was always under the impression it was against European competition law. I'd be surprised if Sky don't raise the issue.


Surely the BBC World News brand isn't forbidden? They use it for the 1130 BBC Two Bulletin and on the BBC World News Today edition for BBC Four so I don't think showing the BBC World News logo would breach any rules.
FL
flaziola
This was true when the channels were called BBC News 24 and BBC World, but ever since the change to BBC News and BBC World News, the cross branding rules have relaxed. Look at how The World became World News Today on BBC 4 and then started to carry a BBC World News DOG, also the BBC Two bulletin and the plugs on Open Source. The existence of BBC world news is no longer a secret.
SN
The SNT Three
Surely, technically they are broadcasting the programmes called BBC World News and World News Today, which just happen to be simulcast on the channel BBC World News...
DT
DTV
Surely, technically they are broadcasting the programmes called BBC World News and World News Today, which just happen to be simulcast on the channel BBC World News...


Surely then it isn't any issue that they display the BBC World News logo which appear in a box at the top of each programme and in the ticker throughout the programme. Plus the two programmes are produced by BBC World News for the domestic audience and are paid for by BBC World News. I imagine that informing UK viewers of the existence of BBC World News ceased to be an issue when funding for overnights moved from the News Channels responsibility to Worlds. Plus the parent company of BBC World News, BBC Global News ltd., now also manage the BBC World Service and that is funded by the license fee and the 'live the story' branding pops up occasionally on UK news. So I doubt that cross promotion is an issue.
HA
harshy Founding member
The sound on BBC World News HD is pretty substandard why can't it be like BBC News HD Sad
DO
dosxuk
Because BBC World News is a lot more complicated to distribute than the BBC News Channel.
HA
harshy Founding member
It's complicated but it shouldn't affect the sound, they send callback on a different audio track so it should sound stereo not mono.

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