GI
I didn't get to see it a lot but I did this morning, all three TOTHs and I'm kinda used to it. I like the biz presenter walking off and don't mind the sound. We also get to hear it on WNT in the evening.
I like the extended sting music they use when the biz presenter walks but wish they would use some sort of shorter main opening after the first headline.
I like the extended sting music they use when the biz presenter walks but wish they would use some sort of shorter main opening after the first headline.
NG
Bit of a mess isn't it?
The titles so heavily signify "end of headlines - start of bulletin" by now - they need a different theme (shorter as well) that doesn't carry that grammatical baggage - that's less "final" - if they are going into further headlines.
The camera in shot for the opening wide off the titles is neither one thing nor the other. Looks like a mistake. Either feature it more so it looks like a statement or don't feature it.
The pictures on the business headline are screaming out to come full frame after initially appearing in the plasma. Either you want to show pictures or you don't - making them tiny on-screen doesn't help tell the story - it is just "we've got a swanky studio" posing.
The domestic Ten O'Clock News does the single-headline followed my multiple-headline thing much better.
noggin
Founding member
Here you go myan...
Bit of a mess isn't it?
The titles so heavily signify "end of headlines - start of bulletin" by now - they need a different theme (shorter as well) that doesn't carry that grammatical baggage - that's less "final" - if they are going into further headlines.
The camera in shot for the opening wide off the titles is neither one thing nor the other. Looks like a mistake. Either feature it more so it looks like a statement or don't feature it.
The pictures on the business headline are screaming out to come full frame after initially appearing in the plasma. Either you want to show pictures or you don't - making them tiny on-screen doesn't help tell the story - it is just "we've got a swanky studio" posing.
The domestic Ten O'Clock News does the single-headline followed my multiple-headline thing much better.
IT
itsrobert
Founding member
I agree, noggin, they do need to sort out the titles if they want to do this sort of opening. In my opinion, ITV News did a much better job after their 2004 relaunch, the BBC would do well to take a leaf out of their book:
Incidentally, what on earth has happened to Alex Baxter? All that awkward hand waving is completely unnecessary.
Incidentally, what on earth has happened to Alex Baxter? All that awkward hand waving is completely unnecessary.
SI
I agree too although the model used from around 2001 until 2007 was fine. Introduction followed by sting and headlines followed by regular title sequence.
Breakfast did a similar thing at the time
I agree, noggin, they do need to sort out the titles if they want to do this sort of opening. In my opinion, ITV News did a much better job after their 2004 relaunch, the BBC would do well to take a leaf out of their book:
I agree too although the model used from around 2001 until 2007 was fine. Introduction followed by sting and headlines followed by regular title sequence.
Breakfast did a similar thing at the time
NG
noggin
Founding member
Yes - the ITV News model was much slicker and did pretty much the same job (excluding business - which should probably be a secondary sequence?) I think World would be better off starting in-vision, but the short sting off the first headline, quickly into following headlines off the back, into another short sting that finishes with studio wide is a pretty good template.
Could do without the self-conscious, and close to parody, walk to the desk off the back of the titles though... I guess ITV were showing off their "Theatre of News"...
Liked the use of music on that ITN/ITV News look, but the set and titles were always a bit "try hard" for me. (Though being saddled with that awful ITV logo didn't help)
Could do without the self-conscious, and close to parody, walk to the desk off the back of the titles though... I guess ITV were showing off their "Theatre of News"...
Liked the use of music on that ITN/ITV News look, but the set and titles were always a bit "try hard" for me. (Though being saddled with that awful ITV logo didn't help)
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NG
I agree too although the model used from around 2001 until 2007 was fine. Introduction followed by sting and headlines followed by regular title sequence.
Breakfast did a similar thing at the time
Yes-ish. Neither of them properly do the "top story headline separate to the rest" thing which is what World (and the Ten) do. (And what were Breakfast thinking with a lights up for the pre-titles, taking them down during the titles so that they could do a lights up on the wide off the back of the titles? Odd... Very odd...)
BBC World's use of music on the top sequence was so much better than what they do now though.
noggin
Founding member
I agree, noggin, they do need to sort out the titles if they want to do this sort of opening. In my opinion, ITV News did a much better job after their 2004 relaunch, the BBC would do well to take a leaf out of their book:
I agree too although the model used from around 2001 until 2007 was fine. Introduction followed by sting and headlines followed by regular title sequence.
Breakfast did a similar thing at the time
Yes-ish. Neither of them properly do the "top story headline separate to the rest" thing which is what World (and the Ten) do. (And what were Breakfast thinking with a lights up for the pre-titles, taking them down during the titles so that they could do a lights up on the wide off the back of the titles? Odd... Very odd...)
BBC World's use of music on the top sequence was so much better than what they do now though.
Last edited by noggin on 28 September 2013 2:03pm
SI
I do wonder if part of the problem is that it's not different enough from the usual opening and therefore it seems odd.
Case in point the new opening on the domestic bulletins and the news channel which seemed really odd and out of place for the first week or two but now works fine. Maybe this would work better if it had a different opening mix (or at the very least a different World News Today type title sequence) rather than just being a standard BBC World News bulletin with the opening rejigged.
Out of interest does the early European morning stuff have a higher budget or more producers than standard output? It feels more of a structured hour than the usual BBC World News followed by World Business Report followed by Sport Today format of the late morning.
Case in point the new opening on the domestic bulletins and the news channel which seemed really odd and out of place for the first week or two but now works fine. Maybe this would work better if it had a different opening mix (or at the very least a different World News Today type title sequence) rather than just being a standard BBC World News bulletin with the opening rejigged.
Out of interest does the early European morning stuff have a higher budget or more producers than standard output? It feels more of a structured hour than the usual BBC World News followed by World Business Report followed by Sport Today format of the late morning.