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14th January 2013 - The Worlds Newsroom (January 2013)

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MA
Marcus Founding member
Sorry if its been said already, but if the camera's decide go to walkabout, can't the director override it and stop it from going any further? Or do they not have an override function?


It has been mentioned several times that once a move has started it cannot be stopped and has to finish before another move can be performed - there is no override switch.


What a ludicrous way of doing things, did nobody ever think of an override button? To me an override button would be the most simplistic way of sorting things out...

These are camera moves we're talking about, not, say, a band saw. Not stopping the former when something is done wrong results in an incorrect camera shot. Not stopping the latter could end up with damaged body parts and dangerous blood loss.


The director can always cut away from any shot or sequence.

But there is, I think, an emergency stop button on each cam, which the floor manager can hit if it's going mental.


I am assuming that by going 'Mental' you mean that it has just come of the tracks or they have just spotted a crack or something like that


As in not stopping, about to hit something or someone, or any other scenario where it would be unsafe for it to continue.


Rather than a halt button, an interlock which stopped the camera on air going ino a setup would have been useful. I guess that got stripped out due to cost
DO
dosxuk
Rather than a halt button, an interlock which stopped the camera on air going ino a setup would have been useful. I guess that got stripped out due to cost


But that would stop you from doing any movement while the camera is live - half the point of using such a system.
NG
noggin Founding member
Rather than a halt button, an interlock which stopped the camera on air going ino a setup would have been useful. I guess that got stripped out due to cost


But that would stop you from doing any movement while the camera is live - half the point of using such a system.


No it wouldn't.

Remote cameras usually have two distinct modes for movement. Reposition (for off-shot repositioning), and on-shot moves. The former can be inhibited "on shot" whilst the latter can still take place "on shot".

This was the set-up used by the Radamec cameras in News at TVC. Radamec "cut"s (which were repos) were inhibited for on-air cameras (tallies - i.e. red lights - from the mixer were fed into the Radamec controller so it knew whether a camera was on-air or not), whilst "fade"s (which were smooth on shot moves) were fine for the on-air camera. (The camera that did the on-set CSO weather was a problem for a while, because the graphics were pre-keyed in the weather centre and the composite brought back via an outside source, which because it wasn't cut up as a camera, didn't raise the tally to the Radamec system, so it was all to easy to whip the weather camera off on-shot with a cut, particularly when setting up Europe Direct ISTR...)

Similar red-light interlocks can be used to stop on-air routable sources being re-routed whilst they are on-air. Wouldn't surprise me if this had been dropped/ignored/not considered though... (It wasn't implemented in the news studios at TVC.)
Last edited by noggin on 9 September 2013 12:24am
DT
DTV
I had no Idea Africa Business Report was now going to be a weekly thing,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/africa-business-unit.html
I assume this means more coverage of African Business including probably an update during Focus on Africa.

Also maybe we'll get more Japanese programming with this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/yuji-watanabe.html I had no idea that the BBC even had a BBC World News Japan unit let alone translated some content into Japanese. Are there any other BBC World News Local units?
MD
mdtauk
DTV posted:
I had no Idea Africa Business Report was now going to be a weekly thing,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/africa-business-unit.html
I assume this means more coverage of African Business including probably an update during Focus on Africa.

Also maybe we'll get more Japanese programming with this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/yuji-watanabe.html I had no idea that the BBC even had a BBC World News Japan unit let alone translated some content into Japanese. Are there any other BBC World News Local units?

I remember being surprised when tuning into BBC World News whilst in Japan and hearing some of the content with a Japanese dub.
NG
noggin Founding member
DTV posted:
I had no Idea Africa Business Report was now going to be a weekly thing,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/africa-business-unit.html
I assume this means more coverage of African Business including probably an update during Focus on Africa.

Also maybe we'll get more Japanese programming with this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/yuji-watanabe.html I had no idea that the BBC even had a BBC World News Japan unit let alone translated some content into Japanese. Are there any other BBC World News Local units?

I remember being surprised when tuning into BBC World News whilst in Japan and hearing some of the content with a Japanese dub.


There used to be a small office at TV Centre where, at least in part, the Japanese dubbing took place. There were also issues with some agency material, which had to be blanked in Japan for rights reasons ISTR.
JA
Jamesypoo
I found this on the BBC World press site a while back and wondered when it'd be used on air...

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Also this at the same time...

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I'm not quite sure what that was supposed to be for. Business branding within news bulletins perhaps?
MD
mdtauk
I found this on the BBC World press site a while back and wondered when it'd be used on air...

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Also this at the same time...

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I'm not quite sure what that was supposed to be for. Business branding within news bulletins perhaps?


Back during the 2000 branding for BBC World, the News bulletins had stings for Business and Sport news. Perhaps there was not always the plan to reduce business bulletins from BBC News as did happen.
NJ
news junkie


Back during the 2000 branding for BBC World, the News bulletins had stings for Business and Sport news. Perhaps there was not always the plan to reduce business bulletins from BBC News as did happen.


As far as I know, BBC World News still have frequent Business updates, acting perhaps as a tease for WBR. However, I have never seen the Business News titles air.
Last edited by news junkie on 9 September 2013 10:53am
HO
House
Perhaps there was not always the plan to reduce business bulletins from BBC News as did happen.


Only the News Channel saw a reduction in business coverage - and given that they've gained a dedicated business correspondent who clearly has a team behind him ready to produce a detailled report on major business stories, I suspect the spend reduction was more about paying expert guests than anything else.

I don't believe BBC Breakfast or Radio were hit by business news cuts either.
DO
dosxuk
Rather than a halt button, an interlock which stopped the camera on air going ino a setup would have been useful. I guess that got stripped out due to cost


But that would stop you from doing any movement while the camera is live - half the point of using such a system.


No it wouldn't.

Remote cameras usually have two distinct modes for movement. Reposition (for off-shot repositioning), and on-shot moves. The former can be inhibited "on shot" whilst the latter can still take place "on shot".


I've not seen anything said about having different types of move set up on Mosart, but such an option would only be a software upgrade if it's not already in the system - meaning very low cost to implement. However, it would make the automation more complicated having separate on-air and off-air movements, and it's clear to see the issues they're having with the current number of options. It certainly wouldn't stop someone accidentally putting in the wrong on-air move into the running order.
MA
Marcus Founding member
Rather than a halt button, an interlock which stopped the camera on air going ino a setup would have been useful. I guess that got stripped out due to cost


But that would stop you from doing any movement while the camera is live - half the point of using such a system.


No it wouldn't.

Remote cameras usually have two distinct modes for movement. Reposition (for off-shot repositioning), and on-shot moves. The former can be inhibited "on shot" whilst the latter can still take place "on shot".


I've not seen anything said about having different types of move set up on Mosart, but such an option would only be a software upgrade if it's not already in the system - meaning very low cost to implement. However, it would make the automation more complicated having separate on-air and off-air movements, and it's clear to see the issues they're having with the current number of options. It certainly wouldn't stop someone accidentally putting in the wrong on-air move into the running order.


No but it would stop the sudden whip pan to a presenters legs

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