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14th January 2013 - The Worlds Newsroom (January 2013)

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BA
bakamann
chris posted:
Studio C does look really silly using the night time backdrop and then cutting to Buckingham Palace when it's clearly broad daylight. Why can't they use the daytime version for an extra hour or two?


That's what I think as well, and a bit confused...
Philippines usually has the 6am sunrise 6pm sunset... when does the sun usually rise & set in the UK?
DT
DTV
chris posted:
Studio C does look really silly using the night time backdrop and then cutting to Buckingham Palace when it's clearly broad daylight. Why can't they use the daytime version for an extra hour or two?


That's what I think as well, and a bit confused...
Philippines usually has the 6am sunrise 6pm sunset... when does the sun usually rise & set in the UK?


It changes by a couple of minutes every day. Right now about 5AM Rise and 9PM Set.
So really from TWT to Business Edition it should have the daytime backdrop
Last edited by DTV on 23 July 2013 9:07pm
DO
dosxuk
That's what I think as well, and a bit confused...
Philippines usually has the 6am sunrise 6pm sunset... when does the sun usually rise & set in the UK?


It varies - at the summer solstice daylight is around 4am - 10pm, and at the winter solstace, around 8am - 4pm.
MH
MoHasanie
Interesting to see Zeinab Bawadi presenting GMT today.
It was also very amusing seeing Aaron Heselhurst ride a scooter in the studio Very Happy . Hopefully he didn't scratch the floor of a studio that's only 6 months old!
GM
Gary McEwan
Ah good old Martine on the BBC 2 Simulcast this morning!
JW
JamesWorldNews
LIVE two way between London (Ros Atkins) and Cairo (Jim Muir). A clearly troubled and exasperated Muir struggled with Atkins first question, rolled his eyes and then said on air "I'm getting my own voice coming back on me, if you could *just* close the DAMN fader".

(OK, I added the word DAMN for effect, but clearly that's how Jim felt.........)
JW
JamesWorldNews
Yet more camera nonsense. Moments ago, Tim Willcox opening shot on World News Today. Even before he'd uttered a word at the news wall, the camera dropped, cutting off half of his face, then veered left almost edging him out of shot, before correcting itself.

Alright. Teething problems and so on. They do occur. Look at the Dreamliner, as another example.

But the way things are going, these BBC News cameras are going to play havoc forever at this rate. Time to stop putting it down to teething troubles, or whatever. You've had half a year to sort this out, BBC. Whatever the technological glitches may be. Surely there's enough brain power with the technology to end this shoddiness?
DO
dosxuk
Surely there's enough brain power with the technology to end this shoddiness?


Normally these types of problem aren't problems with the technology - it does exactly what it is told to do - the problem is with people loading the wrong templates, hitting a button at the wrong time, wrong things being entered into running orders and so on. As these are all human issues, the only solutions are more training and more experience.

The alternative is to switch off the automation and have static cameras all the time with the odd move by the floor manager while not live, and personally I'd rather the more dynamic presentation the automation gives 99% of the time.
CI
cityprod
Surely there's enough brain power with the technology to end this shoddiness?


Normally these types of problem aren't problems with the technology - it does exactly what it is told to do - the problem is with people loading the wrong templates, hitting a button at the wrong time, wrong things being entered into running orders and so on. As these are all human issues, the only solutions are more training and more experience.

The alternative is to switch off the automation and have static cameras all the time with the odd move by the floor manager while not live, and personally I'd rather the more dynamic presentation the automation gives 99% of the time.


News does not need dynamic presentation. Static cameras are just fine enough for most news programmes. Look at ITV News, 5 News, Sky News, CNN, France 24, RTE News, and a thousand other news programmes. You don't need cameras moving during a shot. Static shots are just fine.
CR
Critique
Surely there's enough brain power with the technology to end this shoddiness?


Normally these types of problem aren't problems with the technology - it does exactly what it is told to do - the problem is with people loading the wrong templates, hitting a button at the wrong time, wrong things being entered into running orders and so on. As these are all human issues, the only solutions are more training and more experience.

The alternative is to switch off the automation and have static cameras all the time with the odd move by the floor manager while not live, and personally I'd rather the more dynamic presentation the automation gives 99% of the time.


News does not need dynamic presentation. Static cameras are just fine enough for most news programmes. Look at ITV News, 5 News, Sky News, CNN, France 24, RTE News, and a thousand other news programmes. You don't need cameras moving during a shot. Static shots are just fine.


The thing here though is wouldn't all the shots have to be static if automation was turned off - surely you couldn't have the TOTH camera move and then another camera doing the side screen shot at the TOTH - it would be going back to the days of N6 quite quickly with a static (maybe panning) shot and then a locked off shot. BBC News hasn't gone over the top on dynamic presentation by any means - they use nice TOTH and BOTH moves and a few simple camera moves during things like DTLs, but it doesn't detract, and as dosxuk says, it's nice to have the more dynamic presentation.
CI
cityprod
Surely there's enough brain power with the technology to end this shoddiness?


Normally these types of problem aren't problems with the technology - it does exactly what it is told to do - the problem is with people loading the wrong templates, hitting a button at the wrong time, wrong things being entered into running orders and so on. As these are all human issues, the only solutions are more training and more experience.

The alternative is to switch off the automation and have static cameras all the time with the odd move by the floor manager while not live, and personally I'd rather the more dynamic presentation the automation gives 99% of the time.


News does not need dynamic presentation. Static cameras are just fine enough for most news programmes. Look at ITV News, 5 News, Sky News, CNN, France 24, RTE News, and a thousand other news programmes. You don't need cameras moving during a shot. Static shots are just fine.


The thing here though is wouldn't all the shots have to be static if automation was turned off - surely you couldn't have the TOTH camera move and then another camera doing the side screen shot at the TOTH - it would be going back to the days of N6 quite quickly with a static (maybe panning) shot and then a locked off shot. BBC News hasn't gone over the top on dynamic presentation by any means - they use nice TOTH and BOTH moves and a few simple camera moves during things like DTLs, but it doesn't detract, and as dosxuk says, it's nice to have the more dynamic presentation.


You don't need that top of the hour camera move, you don't need the side screen shot, yes, they are nice to have, but they add nothing, they are pure style, and what matters most to the audience of a news channel, is the content, not the style. It's not the camera moves, or the graphics, or even the studio sets to a degree, although the ITV News 1999-2004 set was a pure example of over the top style which did detract from the content, it is the reporting that makes a news programme. If they cut down the amount of unnecessary camera moves, it would seriously improve matters.
IS
Inspector Sands
News does not need dynamic presentation. Static cameras are just fine enough for most news programmes. Look at ITV News, 5 News, Sky News, CNN, France 24, RTE News, and a thousand other news programmes. You don't need cameras moving during a shot. Static shots are just fine.

You are correct in that it is possible to do a news bulletin with static shots, but that doesn't mean the cameras don't have to move at all during the bulletin... they can't be 'static cameras'

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