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JULY 2019 | Nuala McGovern Joins BBC World News TV (April 2014)

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MI
m_in_m
noggin posted:
AlexS posted:
Bob Paisley posted:

I imagine they'll just keep them, unless he's going to a different broadcaster. If he's retiring, there's not really a need to revoice the obits. In newspapers, some obituaries are published long after the writer has died.

The problem comes when they need to add to the obituary when the person dies as its a lot harder to disguise different voices than it is to disguise a different person writing part of a piece.


If you were doing that you'd re-voice the whole obit. News usually edit with VO on a separate track still - so that's actually not to tricky to do.

Are scripts stored electronically for obit pieces? Are they for many pieces generally?
IS
Inspector Sands
It's 2018, very little isn't stored 'electronically'
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m_in_m
Inspector Sands posted:
It's 2018, very little isn't stored 'electronically'

True I just wondered if they were stored at all. I guess obits are more planned than say a piece for the six which you might be voicing very close to the wire.
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes, obit packages need to be on the production system ( ENPS, iNews etc) so it can then just be dragged into the running order when needed.

So the script will just live in there along with caption details and everything else needed to run a package. Sometimes the link into the package will be pretty written too,particularly in the case of where there's more than one obit package - for a Royal for example
IS
Inspector Sands
noggin posted:

If you were doing that you'd re-voice the whole obit. News usually edit with VO on a separate track still - so that's actually not to tricky to do.

That's also of course why you never see a piece to camera in an obituary
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NG
noggin Founding member
m_in_m posted:
noggin posted:
AlexS posted:
The problem comes when they need to add to the obituary when the person dies as its a lot harder to disguise different voices than it is to disguise a different person writing part of a piece.


If you were doing that you'd re-voice the whole obit. News usually edit with VO on a separate track still - so that's actually not to tricky to do.

Are scripts stored electronically for obit pieces? Are they for many pieces generally?


Probably - but in reality, how long does it take to transcribe a relatively short piece?
NG
noggin Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
It's 2018, very little isn't stored 'electronically'


Yeah - though not always in a form that is instantly retrievable...
NG
noggin Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
Yes, obit packages need to be on the production system (ENPS, iNews etc) so it can then just be dragged into the running order when needed.

So the script will just live in there along with caption details and everything else needed to run a package. Sometimes the link into the package will be pretty written too,particularly in the case of where there's more than one obit package - for a Royal for example


The script for the obit intro will definitely live there. Whether the VT script will also live there is less guaranteed. (Though it's a sensible thing to do. <Chevrons...)
IS
Inspector Sands
Mind you it's never guaranteed that any VT script will be in the system with the VT. Depends on the reporter, some will actually draft their script there, others you struggle to get them to put their captions in!
PE
peterrocket Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
Mind you it's never guaranteed that any VT script will be in the system with the VT. Depends on the reporter, some will actually draft their script there, others you struggle to get them to put their captions in!


I've heard some stories that older versions of obits aren't deleted off server or managed properly when they're re-cut, which leads to confusion when it's actually needed. Imagine the confusion on a producers face when he sees OBIT FINAL, OBIT FINAL FINAL and OBIT FINAL RE-VOICED.
WO
Worzel
peterrocket posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Mind you it's never guaranteed that any VT script will be in the system with the VT. Depends on the reporter, some will actually draft their script there, others you struggle to get them to put their captions in!


I've heard some stories that older versions of obits aren't deleted off server or managed properly when they're re-cut, which leads to confusion when it's actually needed. Imagine the confusion on a producers face when he sees OBIT FINAL, OBIT FINAL FINAL and OBIT FINAL RE-VOICED.


They need to get their slugs in order. Laughing
IS
Inspector Sands
peterrocket posted:
I've heard some stories that older versions of obits aren't deleted off server or managed properly when they're re-cut, which leads to confusion when it's actually needed. Imagine the confusion on a producers face when he sees OBIT FINAL, OBIT FINAL FINAL and OBIT FINAL RE-VOICED.

Sounds very familiar. It's when obits aren't deleted after someone's died and they've gone out that's annoying too. I have sat there doing housekeeping with Wikipedia open trying to work out if who is dead and who is alive.


And don't get me started on reporters naming packages KEEP.... even if they're going out tomorrow

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