BB
It's very much a UK bulletin. The idea behind News 24 Tonight is to feature the "best" of the day's BBC News output, whether from the Nationals, N24, the Regions and Nations, or from World. I've seen a few reports on News 24 Tonight introduced as "<correspondent name> from BBC World brings us this report" or something similar. Reports from the Regions and Nations generally command a similar introduction along the lines of "Bruce Whatever from BBC Look East takes a closer look..." Beyond the standard N24 news agenda running in consecutive hours, the bulk of additional reports tend to be from around the UK. So while the top story might be about a car bomb in Iraq or a key Congressional vote, the rest of the hour is largely dedicated to stories from around the UK, with additional coverage of global stories tending to be less prominent during that hour.
Not entirely sure that that would work on BBC World to be honest, especially as a full hour of each weekday. World really needs to be able to set its own news agenda during each hour - even if only for a ten minute summary - and additional coverage of news (or current affairs) which isn't of global interest should be confined to 30 or 50 minute scheduling AFTER a 'proper' BBC World bulletin at the top of the hour. Simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World would either result in BBC World being compromised for a full hour with a news digest of affairs that are of at best national interest, at worst local interest, or editions of News 24 Tonight which are editorially bound to broadcast items that are of worldwide interest, at the expense of stories from around the UK.
News 24 Tonight is a compromise in itself as many of the packages seen on it from around the UK struggle to be of any significance or interest to a UK audience, much less a global one. To push the boundaries further and hope that a story from BBC North West Tonight about a cat with ten lives from Wythenshawe might be of interest to viewers in India and Spain is perhaps pushing things a bit too far.
There's no real benefit to the viewer in simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World.
Balazs posted:
Are UK news stories featured on News24 tonight?
It's very much a UK bulletin. The idea behind News 24 Tonight is to feature the "best" of the day's BBC News output, whether from the Nationals, N24, the Regions and Nations, or from World. I've seen a few reports on News 24 Tonight introduced as "<correspondent name> from BBC World brings us this report" or something similar. Reports from the Regions and Nations generally command a similar introduction along the lines of "Bruce Whatever from BBC Look East takes a closer look..." Beyond the standard N24 news agenda running in consecutive hours, the bulk of additional reports tend to be from around the UK. So while the top story might be about a car bomb in Iraq or a key Congressional vote, the rest of the hour is largely dedicated to stories from around the UK, with additional coverage of global stories tending to be less prominent during that hour.
MarkDC posted:
Or why not simulcast N24 Tonight on BBC World? I think it would be a good move for the channel. It essentially would be BBC's answer to CNN's Your World Today. It might even work out well: financially speaking.
Not entirely sure that that would work on BBC World to be honest, especially as a full hour of each weekday. World really needs to be able to set its own news agenda during each hour - even if only for a ten minute summary - and additional coverage of news (or current affairs) which isn't of global interest should be confined to 30 or 50 minute scheduling AFTER a 'proper' BBC World bulletin at the top of the hour. Simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World would either result in BBC World being compromised for a full hour with a news digest of affairs that are of at best national interest, at worst local interest, or editions of News 24 Tonight which are editorially bound to broadcast items that are of worldwide interest, at the expense of stories from around the UK.
News 24 Tonight is a compromise in itself as many of the packages seen on it from around the UK struggle to be of any significance or interest to a UK audience, much less a global one. To push the boundaries further and hope that a story from BBC North West Tonight about a cat with ten lives from Wythenshawe might be of interest to viewers in India and Spain is perhaps pushing things a bit too far.
There's no real benefit to the viewer in simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World.
HA
I love her.
Well, she sounded dog rough ending the programme!!!
Anyway, can someone answer the following questions for me, please?
1. Why on 'The World' is the DOG clear? It comes from a BBC World studio so I thought the DOG would be put on by the gallery?
2. Without wanting to look through hundreds of pages but why do the titles say 'BBC WORLD', BBC NEWS?
3. Why do BBC News bulletins now not end with titles?
Thanks. Just wanted an actual answer to these as it's puzzled me and didn't want to rifle through all these pages!!
1.) I have no wonder why the gallery puts up the clear BBC World DOG, when they could easily put up the static RED dog.
2) Only the BBC know why the titles says BBC WORLD from BBC NEWS, maybe someone from the BBC could answer this for us, as you can't really come up with a logical explanation as to why they have done this, we can only presume here it was a decision taken at senior level to do this.
3) I personally prefered the end BBC World titles, but BBC World's thinking was that people tuned away from the channel as soon as the titles rolled, whether this approach has actually worked for BBC World, we don't really know, we hope so because they have destroyed the structure of the presentation to do this.
harshy
Founding member
johnnybegood posted:
cortomaltese posted:
johnnybegood posted:
Unfortunate losing of voice by Dharshini just now on WBR - good job it was at the end of the broadcast..
I love her.
Well, she sounded dog rough ending the programme!!!
Anyway, can someone answer the following questions for me, please?
1. Why on 'The World' is the DOG clear? It comes from a BBC World studio so I thought the DOG would be put on by the gallery?
2. Without wanting to look through hundreds of pages but why do the titles say 'BBC WORLD', BBC NEWS?
3. Why do BBC News bulletins now not end with titles?
Thanks. Just wanted an actual answer to these as it's puzzled me and didn't want to rifle through all these pages!!
1.) I have no wonder why the gallery puts up the clear BBC World DOG, when they could easily put up the static RED dog.
2) Only the BBC know why the titles says BBC WORLD from BBC NEWS, maybe someone from the BBC could answer this for us, as you can't really come up with a logical explanation as to why they have done this, we can only presume here it was a decision taken at senior level to do this.
3) I personally prefered the end BBC World titles, but BBC World's thinking was that people tuned away from the channel as soon as the titles rolled, whether this approach has actually worked for BBC World, we don't really know, we hope so because they have destroyed the structure of the presentation to do this.
CO
[quote="harshy"]
I love her.
Well, she sounded dog rough ending the programme!!!
Anyway, can someone answer the following questions for me, please?
1. Why on 'The World' is the DOG clear? It comes from a BBC World studio so I thought the DOG would be put on by the gallery?
2. Without wanting to look through hundreds of pages but why do the titles say 'BBC WORLD', BBC NEWS?
3. Why do BBC News bulletins now not end with titles?
2) Only the BBC know why the titles says BBC WORLD from BBC NEWS, maybe someone from the BBC could answer this for us, as you can't really come up with a logical explanation as to why they have done this, we can only presume here it was a decision taken at senior level to do this.
It is logical: the name of the programme (BBC NEWS) always stays at the bottom of the screen while the name of the channel appears in the middle ("24" for News24, "BBCWORLD" for World, nothing during joint bulletins). I find the new titles odd as well, but if you think about it, they actually make sense.
johnnybegood posted:
cortomaltese posted:
johnnybegood posted:
Unfortunate losing of voice by Dharshini just now on WBR - good job it was at the end of the broadcast..
I love her.
Well, she sounded dog rough ending the programme!!!
Anyway, can someone answer the following questions for me, please?
1. Why on 'The World' is the DOG clear? It comes from a BBC World studio so I thought the DOG would be put on by the gallery?
2. Without wanting to look through hundreds of pages but why do the titles say 'BBC WORLD', BBC NEWS?
3. Why do BBC News bulletins now not end with titles?
2) Only the BBC know why the titles says BBC WORLD from BBC NEWS, maybe someone from the BBC could answer this for us, as you can't really come up with a logical explanation as to why they have done this, we can only presume here it was a decision taken at senior level to do this.
It is logical: the name of the programme (BBC NEWS) always stays at the bottom of the screen while the name of the channel appears in the middle ("24" for News24, "BBCWORLD" for World, nothing during joint bulletins). I find the new titles odd as well, but if you think about it, they actually make sense.
MA
1.) I have no wonder why the gallery puts up the clear BBC World DOG, when they could easily put up the static RED dog.
2) Only the BBC know why the titles says BBC WORLD from BBC NEWS, maybe someone from the BBC could answer this for us, as you can't really come up with a logical explanation as to why they have done this, we can only presume here it was a decision taken at senior level to do this.
3) I personally prefered the end BBC World titles, but BBC World's thinking was that people tuned away from the channel as soon as the titles rolled, whether this approach has actually worked for BBC World, we don't really know, we hope so because they have destroyed the structure of the presentation to do this.
Simply put the red dog would clash with the *wonderful* green colour scheme of The World and other programmes, something which was clearly given a lot of thought to...
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
Rant over.
harshy posted:
1.) I have no wonder why the gallery puts up the clear BBC World DOG, when they could easily put up the static RED dog.
2) Only the BBC know why the titles says BBC WORLD from BBC NEWS, maybe someone from the BBC could answer this for us, as you can't really come up with a logical explanation as to why they have done this, we can only presume here it was a decision taken at senior level to do this.
3) I personally prefered the end BBC World titles, but BBC World's thinking was that people tuned away from the channel as soon as the titles rolled, whether this approach has actually worked for BBC World, we don't really know, we hope so because they have destroyed the structure of the presentation to do this.
Simply put the red dog would clash with the *wonderful* green colour scheme of The World and other programmes, something which was clearly given a lot of thought to...
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
Rant over.
R2
It is logical: the name of the programme (BBC NEWS) always stays at the bottom of the screen while the name of the channel appears in the middle ("24" for News24, "BBCWORLD" for World, nothing during joint bulletins). I find the new titles odd as well, but if you think about it, they actually make sense.
I think the argument here is that it BBC World is a channel showing output other than that of a BBC News Summary whereas BBC News 24 shows nothing but BBC News hence 24 comes from BBC News whereas BBC News should come from BBC World as it is just a bulletin.
However I do see your point and agree with it somewhat.
cortomaltese posted:
It is logical: the name of the programme (BBC NEWS) always stays at the bottom of the screen while the name of the channel appears in the middle ("24" for News24, "BBCWORLD" for World, nothing during joint bulletins). I find the new titles odd as well, but if you think about it, they actually make sense.
I think the argument here is that it BBC World is a channel showing output other than that of a BBC News Summary whereas BBC News 24 shows nothing but BBC News hence 24 comes from BBC News whereas BBC News should come from BBC World as it is just a bulletin.
However I do see your point and agree with it somewhat.
HA
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
But no one cares anyway now, as we all love News 24!
harshy
Founding member
Matrix posted:
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
But no one cares anyway now, as we all love News 24!
CO
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
Yes, I agree. Also News Extra's titles don't make things any clearer...
harshy posted:
Matrix posted:
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
Yes, I agree. Also News Extra's titles don't make things any clearer...
PH
I also agree in principle but it should be either one or the other, not a mixture of both like we have now. Since the majority of logos on the channel say BBC NEWS from BBC WORLD, the whole channel should stay that way. The titles just look messy.
cortomaltese posted:
It is logical: the name of the programme (BBC NEWS) always stays at the bottom of the screen while the name of the channel appears in the middle ("24" for News24, "BBCWORLD" for World, nothing during joint bulletins). I find the new titles odd as well, but if you think about it, they actually make sense.
I also agree in principle but it should be either one or the other, not a mixture of both like we have now. Since the majority of logos on the channel say BBC NEWS from BBC WORLD, the whole channel should stay that way. The titles just look messy.
BA
It's very much a UK bulletin. The idea behind News 24 Tonight is to feature the "best" of the day's BBC News output, whether from the Nationals, N24, the Regions and Nations, or from World. I've seen a few reports on News 24 Tonight introduced as "<correspondent name> from BBC World brings us this report" or something similar. Reports from the Regions and Nations generally command a similar introduction along the lines of "Bruce Whatever from BBC Look East takes a closer look..." Beyond the standard N24 news agenda running in consecutive hours, the bulk of additional reports tend to be from around the UK. So while the top story might be about a car bomb in Iraq or a key Congressional vote, the rest of the hour is largely dedicated to stories from around the UK, with additional coverage of global stories tending to be less prominent during that hour.
Not entirely sure that that would work on BBC World to be honest, especially as a full hour of each weekday. World really needs to be able to set its own news agenda during each hour - even if only for a ten minute summary - and additional coverage of news (or current affairs) which isn't of global interest should be confined to 30 or 50 minute scheduling AFTER a 'proper' BBC World bulletin at the top of the hour. Simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World would either result in BBC World being compromised for a full hour with a news digest of affairs that are of at best national interest, at worst local interest, or editions of News 24 Tonight which are editorially bound to broadcast items that are of worldwide interest, at the expense of stories from around the UK.
News 24 Tonight is a compromise in itself as many of the packages seen on it from around the UK struggle to be of any significance or interest to a UK audience, much less a global one. To push the boundaries further and hope that a story from BBC North West Tonight about a cat with ten lives from Wythenshawe might be of interest to viewers in India and Spain is perhaps pushing things a bit too far.
There's no real benefit to the viewer in simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World.
My thoughts exactly. Just wanted to turn MarkDC's attention to this by asking about UK News stories. Thanks for your profound answer.
BBC LDN posted:
Balazs posted:
Are UK news stories featured on News24 tonight?
It's very much a UK bulletin. The idea behind News 24 Tonight is to feature the "best" of the day's BBC News output, whether from the Nationals, N24, the Regions and Nations, or from World. I've seen a few reports on News 24 Tonight introduced as "<correspondent name> from BBC World brings us this report" or something similar. Reports from the Regions and Nations generally command a similar introduction along the lines of "Bruce Whatever from BBC Look East takes a closer look..." Beyond the standard N24 news agenda running in consecutive hours, the bulk of additional reports tend to be from around the UK. So while the top story might be about a car bomb in Iraq or a key Congressional vote, the rest of the hour is largely dedicated to stories from around the UK, with additional coverage of global stories tending to be less prominent during that hour.
MarkDC posted:
Or why not simulcast N24 Tonight on BBC World? I think it would be a good move for the channel. It essentially would be BBC's answer to CNN's Your World Today. It might even work out well: financially speaking.
Not entirely sure that that would work on BBC World to be honest, especially as a full hour of each weekday. World really needs to be able to set its own news agenda during each hour - even if only for a ten minute summary - and additional coverage of news (or current affairs) which isn't of global interest should be confined to 30 or 50 minute scheduling AFTER a 'proper' BBC World bulletin at the top of the hour. Simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World would either result in BBC World being compromised for a full hour with a news digest of affairs that are of at best national interest, at worst local interest, or editions of News 24 Tonight which are editorially bound to broadcast items that are of worldwide interest, at the expense of stories from around the UK.
News 24 Tonight is a compromise in itself as many of the packages seen on it from around the UK struggle to be of any significance or interest to a UK audience, much less a global one. To push the boundaries further and hope that a story from BBC North West Tonight about a cat with ten lives from Wythenshawe might be of interest to viewers in India and Spain is perhaps pushing things a bit too far.
There's no real benefit to the viewer in simulcasting News 24 Tonight on BBC World.
My thoughts exactly. Just wanted to turn MarkDC's attention to this by asking about UK News stories. Thanks for your profound answer.
MA
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
But no one cares anyway now, as we all love News 24!
I'm laughing as I post this. The irony of the whole situation, less than a year or so ago it was N24 which seemed to need some touches now world's gone to the dogs...Who'd of thought.
harshy posted:
Matrix posted:
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
But no one cares anyway now, as we all love News 24!
I'm laughing as I post this. The irony of the whole situation, less than a year or so ago it was N24 which seemed to need some touches now world's gone to the dogs...Who'd of thought.
HA
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
But no one cares anyway now, as we all love News 24!
I'm laughing as I post this. The irony of the whole situation, less than a year or so ago it was N24 which seemed to need some touches now world's gone to the dogs...Who'd of thought.
Amazing how two years can make such a difference
harshy
Founding member
Matrix posted:
harshy posted:
Matrix posted:
The BBC and the title producers are indispute, from what I've heard, hence the failure of any change and as for the end titles, well that's an *idea* in the Tracy Emmite sense of the word.
It's a long running dispute, in the mean while it still says BBC News from BBC World in the short bulletins with the orange globe, then when they use TOG, it says BBC World from BBC News, a bit of a mess really shown around the world!
But no one cares anyway now, as we all love News 24!
I'm laughing as I post this. The irony of the whole situation, less than a year or so ago it was N24 which seemed to need some touches now world's gone to the dogs...Who'd of thought.
Amazing how two years can make such a difference