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BBC LDN
harshy posted:
BBC LDN posted:
harshy posted:
What's incredibly annoying is that when they run the News Extra titles, the globe is back to orange, and it says BBC News at the top again with BBC World at the bottom, run using the previous TOG, therefore it's all jittery, I'm sorry to say this, but this is a complete and utter shambles.


Yes, the channel is completely falling apart thanks to this minor graphics discrepancy.


It's the main titles, of all things this has to be right, as it's their main programme and at this moment it's either BBC World from BBC News or BBC News from BBC World, it's not minor, it's major.


But the difference isn't one that anybody but anoraks - or "anally retentive types" as the other user colourfully described them - would notice. The broad branding is virtually identical to the untrained eye. It's no different to the inconsistency that N24 viewers in the UK experience in seeing a big silver 24 all day being replaced with generic titles and slightly different stings and beds overnight. The 24 may be gone, and the music may be slightly different, but the BBC NEWS 'ribbons and fan' are still there, the BBC NEWS logo is still there and the BBC NEWS music is still easily identifiable as such. It's different but it's similar enough to the norm for the difference to be pretty much unnoticeable for virtually all viewers.

Nobody will care that the 'ribbons and fan' are orange one hour and red the next, nor that the BBC WORLD and BBC NEWS logos keep swapping. Regardless of how much you want to hype it up, this issue is so indescribably insignificant that I am truly confused as to what thoughts go through people's heads when they suggest that stuff like this is a massive deal. The language used to discuss such things makes it sound like one hour there's proper titles and the next there's just a guy standing in front of a camera holding a post-it note with "bbc wurld" scribbled on it.

I'm not saying "let's not discuss it" because that's what we're all here to do. And yes, to the likes of us these discrepancies are irritating and very much worthy of discussion. But let's get a sense of perspective here: while you and I may find this a big deal in terms of the pursuit of on-screen branding perfection, in the broader scheme of things, this isn't the kind of thing that the average viewer would pick up on, or even care about. It's just a presentational discrepancy which only the likes of us give a toss about. The channel isn't falling apart, this isn't a major disaster, the WORLD isn't about to end.
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Pete Founding member
I think the other thing that backs up BBC LDN's post it that BBC News has such a totally unique and strong brand image (audio and visual) that any other news channel it can get away with smaller problems than this.
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harshy Founding member
BBC LDN posted:
harshy posted:
BBC LDN posted:
harshy posted:
What's incredibly annoying is that when they run the News Extra titles, the globe is back to orange, and it says BBC News at the top again with BBC World at the bottom, run using the previous TOG, therefore it's all jittery, I'm sorry to say this, but this is a complete and utter shambles.


Yes, the channel is completely falling apart thanks to this minor graphics discrepancy.


It's the main titles, of all things this has to be right, as it's their main programme and at this moment it's either BBC World from BBC News or BBC News from BBC World, it's not minor, it's major.


But the difference isn't one that anybody but anoraks - or "anally retentive types" as the other user colourfully described them - would notice. The broad branding is virtually identical to the untrained eye. It's no different to the inconsistency that N24 viewers in the UK experience in seeing a big silver 24 all day being replaced with generic titles and slightly different stings and beds overnight. The 24 may be gone, and the music may be slightly different, but the BBC NEWS 'ribbons and fan' are still there, the BBC NEWS logo is still there and the BBC NEWS music is still easily identifiable as such. It's different but it's similar enough to the norm for the difference to be pretty much unnoticeable for virtually all viewers.

Nobody will care that the 'ribbons and fan' are orange one hour and red the next, nor that the BBC WORLD and BBC NEWS logos keep swapping. Regardless of how much you want to hype it up, this issue is so indescribably insignificant that I am truly confused as to what thoughts go through people's heads when they suggest that stuff like this is a massive deal. The language used to discuss such things makes it sound like one hour there's proper titles and the next there's just a guy standing in front of a camera holding a post-it note with "bbc wurld" scribbled on it.

I'm not saying "let's not discuss it" because that's what we're all here to do. And yes, to the likes of us these discrepancies are irritating and very much worthy of discussion. But let's get a sense of perspective here: while you and I may find this a big deal in terms of the pursuit of on-screen branding perfection, in the broader scheme of things, this isn't the kind of thing that the average viewer would pick up on, or even care about. It's just a presentational discrepancy which only the likes of us give a toss about. The channel isn't falling apart, this isn't a major disaster, the WORLD isn't about to end.


Yes I've said many times before I mean normal viewers wouldn't give a **** that is right, but it is a bit irritating as you rightly say, I guess I am just too perfectionist.
CO
cortomaltese
harshy posted:
BBC LDN posted:
harshy posted:
BBC LDN posted:
harshy posted:
What's incredibly annoying is that when they run the News Extra titles, the globe is back to orange, and it says BBC News at the top again with BBC World at the bottom, run using the previous TOG, therefore it's all jittery, I'm sorry to say this, but this is a complete and utter shambles.


Yes, the channel is completely falling apart thanks to this minor graphics discrepancy.


It's the main titles, of all things this has to be right, as it's their main programme and at this moment it's either BBC World from BBC News or BBC News from BBC World, it's not minor, it's major.


But the difference isn't one that anybody but anoraks - or "anally retentive types" as the other user colourfully described them - would notice. The broad branding is virtually identical to the untrained eye. It's no different to the inconsistency that N24 viewers in the UK experience in seeing a big silver 24 all day being replaced with generic titles and slightly different stings and beds overnight. The 24 may be gone, and the music may be slightly different, but the BBC NEWS 'ribbons and fan' are still there, the BBC NEWS logo is still there and the BBC NEWS music is still easily identifiable as such. It's different but it's similar enough to the norm for the difference to be pretty much unnoticeable for virtually all viewers.

Nobody will care that the 'ribbons and fan' are orange one hour and red the next, nor that the BBC WORLD and BBC NEWS logos keep swapping. Regardless of how much you want to hype it up, this issue is so indescribably insignificant that I am truly confused as to what thoughts go through people's heads when they suggest that stuff like this is a massive deal. The language used to discuss such things makes it sound like one hour there's proper titles and the next there's just a guy standing in front of a camera holding a post-it note with "bbc wurld" scribbled on it.

I'm not saying "let's not discuss it" because that's what we're all here to do. And yes, to the likes of us these discrepancies are irritating and very much worthy of discussion. But let's get a sense of perspective here: while you and I may find this a big deal in terms of the pursuit of on-screen branding perfection, in the broader scheme of things, this isn't the kind of thing that the average viewer would pick up on, or even care about. It's just a presentational discrepancy which only the likes of us give a toss about. The channel isn't falling apart, this isn't a major disaster, the WORLD isn't about to end.


Yes I've said many times before I mean normal viewers wouldn't give a ****t that is right, but it is a bit irritating as you rightly say, I guess I am just too perfectionist.


I don't care if a normal viewer doesn't notice, I am not a normal viewer and I think that the fact that BBC World is always full of minor cock-ups is terribly annoying and I do notice them.
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TVAND
Well, if you feel it is full of cock ups and annoying, then stop watching it then.
HA
harshy Founding member
It's not a cock up, but I feel they will change it back, when they change the globe back to orange, until then we will have to watch it as BBC World from BBC News.
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cortomaltese
Bogaboy19 posted:
Well, if you feel it is full of cock ups and annoying, then stop watching it then.


Oh, come on, BBC World is fantastic although it's a shame there is always something wrong with titles an astons.
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cortomaltese
harshy posted:
It's not a cock up, but I feel they will change it back, when they change the globe back to orange, until then we will have to watch it as BBC World from BBC News.


Are they really going to change the globe back to orange? I mean, the red globe has been on for many days, why would they have to wait so long?
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jamesmd
Good God! What's so fascinating about a bloody red/orange globe?

BTW does anyone have any captures of the new badly-lit-box curvy desk in action?
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harshy Founding member
cortomaltese posted:
harshy posted:
It's not a cock up, but I feel they will change it back, when they change the globe back to orange, until then we will have to watch it as BBC World from BBC News.


Are they really going to change the globe back to orange? I mean, the red globe has been on for many days, why would they have to wait so long?


According to our insider Marcus, the red globe was a in his words "a mistake", so that suggusts the red globe will be gone soon enough, the quicker the better me thinks.
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baoren
Looks like the orange globe returned with BBC News from BBC World.
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harshy Founding member
yaloh posted:
Looks like the orange globe returned with BBC News from BBC World.


Really, will have a look. Smile

Strange they didn't use TOG for the titles, but now back to TOG.

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