LL
Video rental has survived. It's VoD delivered, rather than visiting a physical store.
London Lite
Founding member
Exactly! Video On Demand has killed one industry and that's video rental. Even video retail has survived.
Video rental has survived. It's VoD delivered, rather than visiting a physical store.
BR
When and how could they???
STV were going to try and do this and pair up with ITN, but the Tories kyboshed it...
When and how could they???
BR
Video rental has survived. It's VoD delivered, rather than visiting a physical store.
There is something to be said for physical ownership but am noticing fewer and fewer options now when it comes to buying DVDs/Blu-Rays. More often than not I find attempts to buy them from a physical shop thwarted by them having such a limited choice now and therefore having to rely on Amazon.
Back to where this argument started though and the difference is Scottish news is already covered online - there is a huge difference between watching a TV bulletin and reading content online with them complementing each other rather than competing against each other. That said STV are revamping their news presence online, but they're building a network of local stations which supports that.
How does STV News rate against the BBC News at 6 in comparison to other regions? If the argument for the Scottish Six is really there amongst the viewers then I'd expect STV News at 6 to be doing better than the ITV equivalents.
Exactly! Video On Demand has killed one industry and that's video rental. Even video retail has survived.
Video rental has survived. It's VoD delivered, rather than visiting a physical store.
There is something to be said for physical ownership but am noticing fewer and fewer options now when it comes to buying DVDs/Blu-Rays. More often than not I find attempts to buy them from a physical shop thwarted by them having such a limited choice now and therefore having to rely on Amazon.
Back to where this argument started though and the difference is Scottish news is already covered online - there is a huge difference between watching a TV bulletin and reading content online with them complementing each other rather than competing against each other. That said STV are revamping their news presence online, but they're building a network of local stations which supports that.
How does STV News rate against the BBC News at 6 in comparison to other regions? If the argument for the Scottish Six is really there amongst the viewers then I'd expect STV News at 6 to be doing better than the ITV equivalents.
LL
Video rental has survived. It's VoD delivered, rather than visiting a physical store.
There is something to be said for physical ownership but am noticing fewer and fewer options now when it comes to buying DVDs/Blu-Rays. More often than not I find attempts to buy them from a physical shop thwarted by them having such a limited choice now and therefore having to rely on Amazon.
I really don't know how HMV has survived, although moving into smaller stores and having less stock has helped. As for actual rentals, it's the most sensible thing to have happened is to have the majority of rentals move across to VoD. There's still a physical independent rental shop locally which has stubbornly survived, despite Blockbuster closing years before the business went bust.
I remember Sainsbury's used to have a decent back catalogue in the noughties, they even had a World Cinema section in one of the larger stores, yet it's now what charts or a temporary section, such as for Valentines or Mother's Day. Yet Amazon is the one to beat, I pre-ordered Spectre on DVD, paid £9.99 with Prime delivery and then when Amazon matched Tesco who sold it at £7, I was given the difference back.
The market for physical sales is still there, but as part of a multi-platform market. The same for television.
London Lite
Founding member
Exactly! Video On Demand has killed one industry and that's video rental. Even video retail has survived.
Video rental has survived. It's VoD delivered, rather than visiting a physical store.
There is something to be said for physical ownership but am noticing fewer and fewer options now when it comes to buying DVDs/Blu-Rays. More often than not I find attempts to buy them from a physical shop thwarted by them having such a limited choice now and therefore having to rely on Amazon.
I really don't know how HMV has survived, although moving into smaller stores and having less stock has helped. As for actual rentals, it's the most sensible thing to have happened is to have the majority of rentals move across to VoD. There's still a physical independent rental shop locally which has stubbornly survived, despite Blockbuster closing years before the business went bust.
I remember Sainsbury's used to have a decent back catalogue in the noughties, they even had a World Cinema section in one of the larger stores, yet it's now what charts or a temporary section, such as for Valentines or Mother's Day. Yet Amazon is the one to beat, I pre-ordered Spectre on DVD, paid £9.99 with Prime delivery and then when Amazon matched Tesco who sold it at £7, I was given the difference back.
The market for physical sales is still there, but as part of a multi-platform market. The same for television.
NT
If you've ever watched the BBC Scotland weather post ten, there's a brief glimpse of the UK and not much south of the border , so if you're in Scotland and travelling beyond the border , it's tough.
As far a Scottish Six, I'm totally opposed. It would certainly be a central belt six, but I'm not sure it would serve the rest of Scotland. And how many minutes would truly be of national / international news , and how many minutes before the sport ( and by sport I mean Scottish Premiership football ) creeps in? Early and earlier I'm guessing.
Judging by Reporting Scotland and Scotland 2016, they don't have the resources or journalistic ability to produce a high quality hour of news every night.
As far a Scottish Six, I'm totally opposed. It would certainly be a central belt six, but I'm not sure it would serve the rest of Scotland. And how many minutes would truly be of national / international news , and how many minutes before the sport ( and by sport I mean Scottish Premiership football ) creeps in? Early and earlier I'm guessing.
Judging by Reporting Scotland and Scotland 2016, they don't have the resources or journalistic ability to produce a high quality hour of news every night.
HO
Surely getting Reporting Scotland to a decent standard - by which I mean comparable to network bulletins, not English regions - should be the priority at this stage? If you can demonstrate that there are the financial and production resources available to produce a reliable, thorough editorial programme living up to the standards of the Six, then you can make an argument for repurposing it into a 'Scottish Six'.
There is an argument that Reporting Scotland and Scotland 2016 do not have the budgets, at present, to produce such a standard of programming - though equally it must be proven that any increase in budget is warranted, will deliver value for money, and does not detract from viewers' overall programming. For example would Scottish viewers really be better served by a 'Scottish Six' if the cost contributed to the scrapping of the BBC News Channel? Or, would Scottish licence fee payers be providing a reasonable contribution to the overall funding of the BBC if 'their' licence fee was providing 90 minutes of Scottish news programming every evening/night? Ultimately, if funding an enhanced Scotland service comes at a cost to BBC News' overall output - be it a reduction in bureau staff or foreign correspondents, a reduction in Newsnight's budget, or coinciding with the loss of further producers and technical staff - it would neither be in Scottish viewers' interests, or those of the wider UK public.
Which is why I doubt this will result in anything significant. The proposal did state that any new Scottish Six would have to deliver the same standard as the national six, without fail, from the moment it launched. Honestly, I think there's a fair chance management are setting this up to fail (setting a reasonable-but-high standard they doubt BBC Scotland could hit at present) in order to deflate the arguments of some (mostly) SNP and nationalist supporters, and compromise on more 'thoughtful' news output with increased opportunities for BBC Scotland to opt out if it's editorially warranted.
There is an argument that Reporting Scotland and Scotland 2016 do not have the budgets, at present, to produce such a standard of programming - though equally it must be proven that any increase in budget is warranted, will deliver value for money, and does not detract from viewers' overall programming. For example would Scottish viewers really be better served by a 'Scottish Six' if the cost contributed to the scrapping of the BBC News Channel? Or, would Scottish licence fee payers be providing a reasonable contribution to the overall funding of the BBC if 'their' licence fee was providing 90 minutes of Scottish news programming every evening/night? Ultimately, if funding an enhanced Scotland service comes at a cost to BBC News' overall output - be it a reduction in bureau staff or foreign correspondents, a reduction in Newsnight's budget, or coinciding with the loss of further producers and technical staff - it would neither be in Scottish viewers' interests, or those of the wider UK public.
Which is why I doubt this will result in anything significant. The proposal did state that any new Scottish Six would have to deliver the same standard as the national six, without fail, from the moment it launched. Honestly, I think there's a fair chance management are setting this up to fail (setting a reasonable-but-high standard they doubt BBC Scotland could hit at present) in order to deflate the arguments of some (mostly) SNP and nationalist supporters, and compromise on more 'thoughtful' news output with increased opportunities for BBC Scotland to opt out if it's editorially warranted.
RK
Curious are the technical facilities for the main Reporting Scotland studio equivalent to the equipment at Studio E at Broadcasting House?
Surely getting Reporting Scotland to a decent standard - by which I mean comparable to network bulletins, not English regions - should be the priority at this stage? If you can demonstrate that there are the financial and production resources available to produce a reliable, thorough editorial programme living up to the standards of the Six, then you can make an argument for repurposing it into a 'Scottish Six'.
Curious are the technical facilities for the main Reporting Scotland studio equivalent to the equipment at Studio E at Broadcasting House?
LS
Lou Scannon
Rather than having a
permanent
'Scottish Six' as such, could Scotland not just opt out of more/all of the UK Six on an ad-hoc basis, dependant on the day's news? (a bit like when South Today Oxford occasionally has a full 30-minute edition)
Same goes for Wales and NI.
Just a thought.
Same goes for Wales and NI.
Just a thought.
GL
A new development today...
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/25/stv-take-on-bbc-scotland-launch-digital-news-service
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/25/stv-take-on-bbc-scotland-launch-digital-news-service
MK
If you're indifferent about the UK (and it's quite amazing just how many people in England are these days) then maybe there isn't anything wrong with it, funding arguments aside; although I doubt most Scots would want to pay a higher license fee for the benefit of a Breakfast Scotland. Like I said way back in the thread, if anything, sub-opts similar to what STV has would be more useful to the normal viewer. But this isn't about the viewer at all but for purely political reasons.
Sorry, but this screams of a 'slippery slope' logical fallacy.
And so what if Scotland gets its own Breakfast, One, Six and Ten? If they want to agree to pay a higher license fee for the ability for more localised programming, they can and they can thus reap the rewards.
(I'm not someone who has a vested interest in either side, my reasoning here is that there's nothing wrong with what you seem to fear).
And so what if Scotland gets its own Breakfast, One, Six and Ten? If they want to agree to pay a higher license fee for the ability for more localised programming, they can and they can thus reap the rewards.
(I'm not someone who has a vested interest in either side, my reasoning here is that there's nothing wrong with what you seem to fear).
If you're indifferent about the UK (and it's quite amazing just how many people in England are these days) then maybe there isn't anything wrong with it, funding arguments aside; although I doubt most Scots would want to pay a higher license fee for the benefit of a Breakfast Scotland. Like I said way back in the thread, if anything, sub-opts similar to what STV has would be more useful to the normal viewer. But this isn't about the viewer at all but for purely political reasons.