IN
It wouldn't work because there isn't the money for it. The BBC needs to make cuts and they'd have no choice but to send multiple correspondents to a single story - costs would soar. STV might manage it with the live shots but that is three broadcasts not twelve (before sub-opts). The only way around it would be for them to file a report before 6pm, no live shot. Which means potentially broadcasting slightly out-of-date information
I can't speak for all of Canada but where I live, live shots for national and international news are nearly non-existent on the private network stations' 6pm newscasts though the anchors talking to a recorded package does give a sense it was live (not really, it's awkward and downright dishonest). Even if a story was still developing while they're on-air such as one of the terrible events in Europe recently, nearly always there are no live shots just a 'live' package from the network or use a US network package (including their lower thirds) or they would have a local reporter covering the story from the station's newsroom or in studio.
England & Wales do share many laws, but rather than people saying 'don't have a Scottish six because Newcastle doesn't have one', why are we not turning everything on its head and suggesting that ALL regions have their own six pm bulletin? It makes so much sense to me. It's what is done in Australia and Canada with ZERO issues!
It wouldn't work because there isn't the money for it. The BBC needs to make cuts and they'd have no choice but to send multiple correspondents to a single story - costs would soar. STV might manage it with the live shots but that is three broadcasts not twelve (before sub-opts). The only way around it would be for them to file a report before 6pm, no live shot. Which means potentially broadcasting slightly out-of-date information
SP
It wouldn't work because there isn't the money for it. The BBC needs to make cuts and they'd have no choice but to send multiple correspondents to a single story - costs would soar. STV might manage it with the live shots but that is three broadcasts not twelve (before sub-opts). The only way around it would be for them to file a report before 6pm, no live shot. Which means potentially broadcasting slightly out-of-date information and losing face against the competition who have reporters live on the scene.
I don't think it would cost much. Unless there is something very significant locally the regions would take the same lead story as the News Channel bulletin, so it's a simple matter of timing as per STV. A Sky+ style live pause could help to deal with timing issues.
Most other stories have little benefit from being lives rather than as lives, so turning those around to drop into the running order would be easy.
With a caveat that if there is something really big happening nationally it reverts to the current format, I think that could work well. The only significant cost would be somebody in London cutting the Six into chunks and putting them on a server for the regions to grab.
It wouldn't work because there isn't the money for it. The BBC needs to make cuts and they'd have no choice but to send multiple correspondents to a single story - costs would soar. STV might manage it with the live shots but that is three broadcasts not twelve (before sub-opts). The only way around it would be for them to file a report before 6pm, no live shot. Which means potentially broadcasting slightly out-of-date information and losing face against the competition who have reporters live on the scene.
I don't think it would cost much. Unless there is something very significant locally the regions would take the same lead story as the News Channel bulletin, so it's a simple matter of timing as per STV. A Sky+ style live pause could help to deal with timing issues.
Most other stories have little benefit from being lives rather than as lives, so turning those around to drop into the running order would be easy.
With a caveat that if there is something really big happening nationally it reverts to the current format, I think that could work well. The only significant cost would be somebody in London cutting the Six into chunks and putting them on a server for the regions to grab.
PC
If there is a major developing international story then I reckon the Scottish Six should head back to the BBC News At Six, in the same manner as BBC World and BBC News would combine. This would be one case where the best of both worlds argument would work - looking back on RTE coverage of 9/11 that does look like the one time that their resources have been hugely stretched. Scotland could opt back in and out depending on the story.
I imagine BBC Scotland would get the reports from the BBC News At Six but not the lives. That's all part of the trade-off really. STV's set-up works very well for them, but these are all relatively similar areas on a smaller scale. BBC Scotland would be fighting for resources not just with national news in London but with BBC World etc. As has already been said, there's only so much you really get from the lives anyway. If something big develops in a story then BBC Scotland can pick it up and broadcast it fairly swiftly afterwards. It's not the perfect comparison, but they already do this with match reports from Final Score for Sportscene on a Saturday afternoon.
I imagine BBC Scotland would get the reports from the BBC News At Six but not the lives. That's all part of the trade-off really. STV's set-up works very well for them, but these are all relatively similar areas on a smaller scale. BBC Scotland would be fighting for resources not just with national news in London but with BBC World etc. As has already been said, there's only so much you really get from the lives anyway. If something big develops in a story then BBC Scotland can pick it up and broadcast it fairly swiftly afterwards. It's not the perfect comparison, but they already do this with match reports from Final Score for Sportscene on a Saturday afternoon.
RA
Oi, and the Channel Islands. If anyone should have their own six, it's us!
...six minutes, that is, since that's about as much news as happens here. We only get half a regional opt out, the rest being filled with the back end of Spotlight which is as relevant to us as Look East would be to someone in Scotland.
My brother once joked with some English friends that our local headlines were usually along the lines of "Bicycle stolen." I decided to check online, and it was, in fact, "Donkey goes missing."
To be fair most of the "home news" on The Six is London focused, so has as much to do with someone in Manchester as a national UK wide Scottish Six would be to Cornwall.
Oi, and the Channel Islands. If anyone should have their own six, it's us!
...six minutes, that is, since that's about as much news as happens here. We only get half a regional opt out, the rest being filled with the back end of Spotlight which is as relevant to us as Look East would be to someone in Scotland.
My brother once joked with some English friends that our local headlines were usually along the lines of "Bicycle stolen." I decided to check online, and it was, in fact, "Donkey goes missing."
To be fair most of the "home news" on The Six is London focused, so has as much to do with someone in Manchester as a national UK wide Scottish Six would be to Cornwall.
But at the same time, where I think the MPs and MSPs take issue is often the six focuses news on things like the NHS and Education which as it is devolved has no real-life implications for many individuals in Scotland, although it is of interest to see what the UK government is doing.
I guess a good example of this would be the junior doctors strike which frankly didn't happen in Scotland as Jeremy Hunt doesn't have control of the NHS in Scotland. I'm not saying that as Scottish people we didn't care but it wasn't exactly clear that it didn't directly affect NHS Scotland.
As England & Wales share many laws, it is perhaps more relevant for those in Manchester & Cornwall.
Perhaps, but will there be safeguards put in place (no interference from political bodies as to the content)?
Is it going to be a complete hour of Scottish news, hence doing away with Reporting Scotland?
Why do the Scottish get this and the English, Welsh and Irish not?
Oh no, you will hear cried, that will be racist!
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In BBC terms there are 3 nations and the English regions.
Oi, and the Channel Islands. If anyone should have their own six, it's us!
...six minutes, that is, since that's about as much news as happens here. We only get half a regional opt out, the rest being filled with the back end of Spotlight which is as relevant to us as Look East would be to someone in Scotland.
My brother once joked with some English friends that our local headlines were usually along the lines of "Bicycle stolen." I decided to check online, and it was, in fact, "Donkey goes missing."
To be fair most of the "home news" on The Six is London focused, so has as much to do with someone in Manchester as a national UK wide Scottish Six would be to Cornwall.
Oi, and the Channel Islands. If anyone should have their own six, it's us!
...six minutes, that is, since that's about as much news as happens here. We only get half a regional opt out, the rest being filled with the back end of Spotlight which is as relevant to us as Look East would be to someone in Scotland.
My brother once joked with some English friends that our local headlines were usually along the lines of "Bicycle stolen." I decided to check online, and it was, in fact, "Donkey goes missing."
To be fair most of the "home news" on The Six is London focused, so has as much to do with someone in Manchester as a national UK wide Scottish Six would be to Cornwall.
But at the same time, where I think the MPs and MSPs take issue is often the six focuses news on things like the NHS and Education which as it is devolved has no real-life implications for many individuals in Scotland, although it is of interest to see what the UK government is doing.
I guess a good example of this would be the junior doctors strike which frankly didn't happen in Scotland as Jeremy Hunt doesn't have control of the NHS in Scotland. I'm not saying that as Scottish people we didn't care but it wasn't exactly clear that it didn't directly affect NHS Scotland.
As England & Wales share many laws, it is perhaps more relevant for those in Manchester & Cornwall.
Perhaps, but will there be safeguards put in place (no interference from political bodies as to the content)?
Is it going to be a complete hour of Scottish news, hence doing away with Reporting Scotland?
Why do the Scottish get this and the English, Welsh and Irish not?
Nobody seems to have mentioned the 'elephant in the room', which is if you have a Scottish/Welsh/NI 'Six', then you need one specifically for England, which means there is NO national bulletin for the UK at 6pm unless one is created and broadcast on the NC.
Oh no, you will hear cried, that will be racist!
DA
To be fair most of the "home news" on The Six is London focused, so has as much to do with someone in Manchester as a national UK wide Scottish Six would be to Cornwall.
Is it London focused, or is Westminster focused? I'd say it's more the latter. Not that that makes it any more or less important for Scotland to have their own Six.
To be fair most of the "home news" on The Six is London focused, so has as much to do with someone in Manchester as a national UK wide Scottish Six would be to Cornwall.
Is it London focused, or is Westminster focused? I'd say it's more the latter. Not that that makes it any more or less important for Scotland to have their own Six.
NL
I agree. If the BBC is to save money then one way might be to use the existing facilities and create a more "homely" six o clock news. I remember many years ago Look North Leeds had a roundup of both local and national news. What could happen would be say 40 minutes of local and national news linked together from the regions and then a world round up from London.
England & Wales do share many laws, but rather than people saying 'don't have a Scottish six because Newcastle doesn't have one', why are we not turning everything on its head and suggesting that ALL regions have their own six pm bulletin? It makes so much sense to me. It's what is done in Australia and Canada with ZERO issues! The network just needs to provide a rough running order of available national/international content to the regions and they then interweave this with their own content, deleting anything that isn't relevant. As a previous poster highlighted, the STV model in Scotland works well as a template for different shows 'opting in' to live reporter segments, etc. In this day and age, it's all very straight forward and easy. My personal view is that we should devolve broadcasting as much as possible. A 6pm news hour hosted by the regional presenters, mixing regional, national and international news, feels like a natural next step in mature, grown-up, federalised broadcasting. Of course, all of this will be shot down by someone making some dry remark about Nicola Sturgeon looking like Jimmy Krankie, or something equally clichéd.
I agree. If the BBC is to save money then one way might be to use the existing facilities and create a more "homely" six o clock news. I remember many years ago Look North Leeds had a roundup of both local and national news. What could happen would be say 40 minutes of local and national news linked together from the regions and then a world round up from London.
CH
I agree. If the BBC is to save money then one way might be to use the existing facilities and create a more "homely" six o clock news. I remember many years ago Look North Leeds had a roundup of both local and national news. What could happen would be say 40 minutes of local and national news linked together from the regions and then a world round up from London.
Weren't ITV News planning to do something along those lines with their teatime bulletin - a more integrated 'news hour' that was eventually shelved?
England & Wales do share many laws, but rather than people saying 'don't have a Scottish six because Newcastle doesn't have one', why are we not turning everything on its head and suggesting that ALL regions have their own six pm bulletin? It makes so much sense to me. It's what is done in Australia and Canada with ZERO issues! The network just needs to provide a rough running order of available national/international content to the regions and they then interweave this with their own content, deleting anything that isn't relevant. As a previous poster highlighted, the STV model in Scotland works well as a template for different shows 'opting in' to live reporter segments, etc. In this day and age, it's all very straight forward and easy. My personal view is that we should devolve broadcasting as much as possible. A 6pm news hour hosted by the regional presenters, mixing regional, national and international news, feels like a natural next step in mature, grown-up, federalised broadcasting. Of course, all of this will be shot down by someone making some dry remark about Nicola Sturgeon looking like Jimmy Krankie, or something equally clichéd.
I agree. If the BBC is to save money then one way might be to use the existing facilities and create a more "homely" six o clock news. I remember many years ago Look North Leeds had a roundup of both local and national news. What could happen would be say 40 minutes of local and national news linked together from the regions and then a world round up from London.
Weren't ITV News planning to do something along those lines with their teatime bulletin - a more integrated 'news hour' that was eventually shelved?
PC
Some people are quite clearly losing their minds about this.
Will the Scottish Six be propaganda for the SNP? No. In fact, the increased scrutiny may well cause them a few issues on certain policies. There don't need to be 'safeguards' put in place, UK broadcasters have to abide by impartiality rules as it stands.
A depressing element tied in with this is that almost everything is seen through the constitutional argument these days, and some people are unable to come out of that tribal logic.
Does England, Northern Ireland and Wales have a fair argument for their own national shows as well? Yes. And we're not going to call anyone racist for suggesting there's an issue there FFS.
Will the Scottish Six be propaganda for the SNP? No. In fact, the increased scrutiny may well cause them a few issues on certain policies. There don't need to be 'safeguards' put in place, UK broadcasters have to abide by impartiality rules as it stands.
A depressing element tied in with this is that almost everything is seen through the constitutional argument these days, and some people are unable to come out of that tribal logic.
Does England, Northern Ireland and Wales have a fair argument for their own national shows as well? Yes. And we're not going to call anyone racist for suggesting there's an issue there FFS.
:-(
A former member
For goodness sake, let all regions and nations have an hour at six o'clock to do what they hell they want, and let viewers switch to the, oh, what's it called, oh yes, the BBC News channel, and watch the national news there...
Just a thought!
Just a thought!
