The Newsroom

BBC to trial Scottish Six

(February 2016)

This site closed in March 2021 and is now a read-only archive
JA
james-2001
It was written recently that "in attitude and demeanour, the SNP behaves as though independence has already arrived in everything except the formal recognition of that fact." .


The majority of Scots I know despise the SNP, Sturgeon and Salmond, yet they go round acting like they are Scotland, they speak for all Scots and Scotland wants what they want (even though they've never had the majority of the popular vote). I can imagine most Scots putting their heads in their hands over this Scottish Six crap in frustration, but can't do anything about it. The Scots I know think it will just be 30 minutes of how great Der Führer Sturgeon is.
WW
WW Update
And today, an examination over the need for a "Welsh Six"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36952091


What next - a Northern Ireland Six?!


In Australia, each state gets its own "national" news, on both the commercial channels and the ABC. Perhaps a future model for the UK?
BA
Bail Moderator
To be fair, Oz is a lot bigger than the islands of the UK, the distance makes news more or less relevant to certain areas. I'm really not sure how or why Reporting Scotland and Wales Today aren't "The Six" they in essence are, national news is the UK in its entirety as well as world affairs, the local 6:30 opts are just that the local news.
RK
Rkolsen
House posted:

I'm thinking, say, that Reporting Scotland opts out of the Six for three minutes at 6:11 to introduce and air a package on a Scottish domestic issue, while London broadcasts a story on NHS England, and opts back in at 6:14. Potentially this could work in instances where London is broadcasting something that is relevant to Scotland, but there's a major story that should be higher in the running order in Scotland, whereby Reporting Scotland airs the opted-out story at 6:30 instead.

In this kind of scenario, only a modest increase in budget for the nations would be needed, but coverage for Scottish viewers could become more relevant and the nations' news more flexible. A 'true' Scottish Six would cost a lot more, and lead to the same correspondents and satellite links being required simultaneously where the rest of BBC News is trying to streamline operations and cut down on duplication.


I imagine that this while nice would be a nightmare to pull off especially with last minute rundown changes and package lengths. You would have to precisely time the length of the package to the one that's being replaced and if the one that's running from London goes long you'll suddenly have to have Scotland's presenter vamp til London is read.

It does sound interesting in theory but I think it would look patch worked together.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
It seems inevitable that we'll eventually get either a Scottish Six or Ten, with MPs seemingly trying to interfere with the BBC. Also worth noting from the BBC News article is that "the current Scotland 2016 programme is to be axed later in the year".

I don't think it would be practical to have an opt-out point with the main national news bulletin, so it would require the entire bulletin to be a Scottish version. The only exception would of course be major news (e.g. a royal death, terrorism) which takes up around/over half the national bulletin, where it would make sense to show the national edition and the opt-out to the Scottish version after that news item. Many of the reports could probably be easily shared, though live interviews/broadcasts would presumably be trickier to share.
PC
p_c_u_k
It was written recently that "in attitude and demeanour, the SNP behaves as though independence has already arrived in everything except the formal recognition of that fact." .


The majority of Scots I know despise the SNP, Sturgeon and Salmond, yet they go round acting like they are Scotland, they speak for all Scots and Scotland wants what they want (even though they've never had the majority of the popular vote). I can imagine most Scots putting their heads in their hands over this Scottish Six crap in frustration, but can't do anything about it. The Scots I know think it will just be 30 minutes of how great Der Führer Sturgeon is.


And lo, we fell into the Godwin's Law trap on page 10. If we could keep this nonsense out of TV Forum and focus on the actual television and presentation that'd be grand.

It's also depressing that the show is being dismissed/championed by many on purely tribal lines. Because there is a case to be made for a Scottish Six. There is also a case to be made by the rest of the UK which goes along the lines of "Why not us?" I certainly feel that the news in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland has to have a different feel given they are national shows, and occasionally feel as parochial as the smallest English region. There is also an issue with the number of England and Wales-only stories, and the running order being out of kilter with what matters in Scotland. This sometimes leads to a Scotland story getting the token "near the end of the bulletin" slot, at which point it's then repeated five minutes later, which isn't great. A Scottish news bulletin would massively change the agenda and, far from being an SNP propaganda set-up, result in increased scrutiny and prominence on legislation in the nation.

At the same time there's not much else the BBC can do, it's got four nations to keep happy and if Scotland wanted a separate news programme a Yes vote in 2014 would have secured a separate broadcaster in an RTE mould. Of course, that's not a good enough reason to vote for independence on its own, but Scotland decided that, the flaws of the UK taken into account, it would hang about.

I reckon it's worth a go. It won't be easy and people will be sitting there waiting for it to fail. But you could say that about anything new. At the same time, I'd understand if the BBC, or the rest of the UK, went "no thanks".
thegeek, globaltraffic24 and WW Update gave kudos
NE
newsman1
It was written recently that "in attitude and demeanour, the SNP behaves as though independence has already arrived in everything except the formal recognition of that fact." .


The majority of Scots I know despise the SNP, Sturgeon and Salmond, yet they go round acting like they are Scotland, they speak for all Scots and Scotland wants what they want (even though they've never had the majority of the popular vote). I can imagine most Scots putting their heads in their hands over this Scottish Six crap in frustration, but can't do anything about it. The Scots I know think it will just be 30 minutes of how great Der Führer Sturgeon is.


And lo, we fell into the Godwin's Law trap on page 10. If we could keep this nonsense out of TV Forum and focus on the actual television and presentation that'd be grand.

It's also depressing that the show is being dismissed/championed by many on purely tribal lines. Because there is a case to be made for a Scottish Six. There is also a case to be made by the rest of the UK which goes along the lines of "Why not us?" I certainly feel that the news in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland has to have a different feel given they are national shows, and occasionally feel as parochial as the smallest English region. There is also an issue with the number of England and Wales-only stories, and the running order being out of kilter with what matters in Scotland. This sometimes leads to a Scotland story getting the token "near the end of the bulletin" slot, at which point it's then repeated five minutes later, which isn't great. A Scottish news bulletin would massively change the agenda and, far from being an SNP propaganda set-up, result in increased scrutiny and prominence on legislation in the nation.

At the same time there's not much else the BBC can do, it's got four nations to keep happy and if Scotland wanted a separate news programme a Yes vote in 2014 would have secured a separate broadcaster in an RTE mould. Of course, that's not a good enough reason to vote for independence on its own, but Scotland decided that, the flaws of the UK taken into account, it would hang about.

I reckon it's worth a go. It won't be easy and people will be sitting there waiting for it to fail. But you could say that about anything new. At the same time, I'd understand if the BBC, or the rest of the UK, went "no thanks".


Actually, there are 3 nations in the UK. Northern Ireland isn't a nation; it's a province of the UK.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
House posted:

I'm thinking, say, that Reporting Scotland opts out of the Six for three minutes at 6:11 to introduce and air a package on a Scottish domestic issue, while London broadcasts a story on NHS England, and opts back in at 6:14. Potentially this could work in instances where London is broadcasting something that is relevant to Scotland, but there's a major story that should be higher in the running order in Scotland, whereby Reporting Scotland airs the opted-out story at 6:30 instead.

In this kind of scenario, only a modest increase in budget for the nations would be needed, but coverage for Scottish viewers could become more relevant and the nations' news more flexible. A 'true' Scottish Six would cost a lot more, and lead to the same correspondents and satellite links being required simultaneously where the rest of BBC News is trying to streamline operations and cut down on duplication.


I imagine that this while nice would be a nightmare to pull off especially with last minute rundown changes and package lengths. You would have to precisely time the length of the package to the one that's being replaced and if the one that's running from London goes long you'll suddenly have to have Scotland's presenter vamp til London is read.

It does sound interesting in theory but I think it would look patch worked together.


See thegeek's post on the previous page showing how STV pull this off on a nightly basis. The domestic News Channel and World have been known to do their own headlines, then throw to a correspondent/presenter at a location at the same time. Presumably on the basis of an approximate clock start, and one gallery listening to the other one's talkback.
RA
radiolistener
Trial of Scottish Six already leaked.....

TI
tightrope78

The majority of Scots I know despise the SNP, Sturgeon and Salmond, yet they go round acting like they are Scotland, they speak for all Scots and Scotland wants what they want (even though they've never had the majority of the popular vote). I can imagine most Scots putting their heads in their hands over this Scottish Six crap in frustration, but can't do anything about it. The Scots I know think it will just be 30 minutes of how great Der Führer Sturgeon is.


And lo, we fell into the Godwin's Law trap on page 10. If we could keep this nonsense out of TV Forum and focus on the actual television and presentation that'd be grand.

It's also depressing that the show is being dismissed/championed by many on purely tribal lines. Because there is a case to be made for a Scottish Six. There is also a case to be made by the rest of the UK which goes along the lines of "Why not us?" I certainly feel that the news in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland has to have a different feel given they are national shows, and occasionally feel as parochial as the smallest English region. There is also an issue with the number of England and Wales-only stories, and the running order being out of kilter with what matters in Scotland. This sometimes leads to a Scotland story getting the token "near the end of the bulletin" slot, at which point it's then repeated five minutes later, which isn't great. A Scottish news bulletin would massively change the agenda and, far from being an SNP propaganda set-up, result in increased scrutiny and prominence on legislation in the nation.

At the same time there's not much else the BBC can do, it's got four nations to keep happy and if Scotland wanted a separate news programme a Yes vote in 2014 would have secured a separate broadcaster in an RTE mould. Of course, that's not a good enough reason to vote for independence on its own, but Scotland decided that, the flaws of the UK taken into account, it would hang about.

I reckon it's worth a go. It won't be easy and people will be sitting there waiting for it to fail. But you could say that about anything new. At the same time, I'd understand if the BBC, or the rest of the UK, went "no thanks".


Actually, there are 3 nations in the UK. Northern Ireland isn't a nation; it's a province of the UK.


Northern Ireland is a nation. Ulster, which is sometimes used incorrectly as meaning Northern Ireland, is a historic province of the island of Ireland.
PE
peterh
Northern Ireland is an nation state within the U.K. This does not include 3 counties of the traditional province of Ulster
NE
newsman1
Northern Ireland is a province of the UK, as opposed to Ulster being a historic province of the island of Ireland.

Newer posts