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BBC Regional Redundancies

Split from BBC Regional SD/HD Transmissions

GH
Ghost Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Ghost posted:
ITVs is very low quality news journalism (ie doesn't feature multiple 'sides' to a topic or challanging topics)

Nonsense. It’s great.


Specifically I'm talking about the shared content on ITV, not the major parts of the bulletins which in many regions is very good. What's great about the shared stuff?

Sorry, I thought that bit was about ITV News in general. About shared content, I agree, I’m not much of a fan.
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ST
South Today
Presumably Final Score just make use of their regional sports teams, both from news and radio.

They do and they don't

Harry Gration used to pop up every now and then but like said above, he hasn't done for years

Tony Husband works for one of the regions as well doesn't he?

I know that latterly Harry used to pop up during the Olympics commentating on a relatively obscure sport on a red button channel, but in years gone by was a bit of a relief presenter on regular BBC Sport output

They said that he sometimes hosted Grandstand and allegedly even once presented Match of the Day?


Tony Husband departed earlier in the year for the USA.
CO
Cold Open West Country (East) Points West
DTV posted:
Broadcast posted:
A separate source said audiences will start noticing the centralisation approach when regional news content stops focusing on their specific region


This seems to suggest that something akin to ITV plc regions' shared feature items may be happening... 🤨


Is that necessarily a bad thing for some stories? There have always been pan-regional news stories (e.g. those affecting rail franchises) that multiple regions produce reports for, surely producing one report for multiple regions makes more sense.


A single shared report for things like rail franchises, stories from genuine reception/editorial overlap areas, and maybe even a certain degree of region-stretching (within reason) on occasion so that Region B can have a piece of a big story from a locality to which Region A really has the "proper" claim, is indeed eminently sensible.

Similarly, some stories may genuinely have an angle from different (not necessarily neighbouring) regions: e.g. if someone from Northumberland is involved in a boating accident off the Cornwall coast, or whatever.

But often the ITV plc "aggregate" items are a general England/UK topic (e.g. the state of the housing market, or something), with a tiny bit of "set-dressing" to link them to each region.

If you're lucky, they might actually bother to at least make umpteen slightly different edits of the report itself to include the crowbarred nugget of regionality. But sometimes the package itself is 100% generic, and the job of reading out statistics etc to link the item to your region is only done by your region's own studio presenters before/after the package.

I hope that BBC regions don't end up with anything that goes down quite that kind of route.
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tightrope78 UTV Newsline
Presumably Final Score just make use of their regional sports teams, both from news and radio.

They do and they don't

Harry Gration used to pop up every now and then but like said above, he hasn't done for years

Tony Husband works for one of the regions as well doesn't he?

I know that latterly Harry used to pop up during the Olympics commentating on a relatively obscure sport on a red button channel, but in years gone by was a bit of a relief presenter on regular BBC Sport output

They said that he sometimes hosted Grandstand and allegedly even once presented Match of the Day?

Here’s Harry presenting a bank holiday edition of Final Score from 1989.



He commentated on judo and then taekwondo at the summer Olympics from around 1992 through to 2008.
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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)


If you're lucky, they might actually bother to at least make umpteen slightly different edits of the report itself to include the crowbarred nugget of regionality. But sometimes the package itself is 100% generic, and the job of reading out statistics etc to link the item to your region is only done by your region's own studio presenters before/after the package.

I hope that BBC regions don't end up with anything that goes down quite that kind of route.


I've suggested elsewhere (it got left in the thread this got split from) that resurrecting Nationwide would be a better approach.

Cut the regional programmes by 10 mins focusing on actual news, the One Show starts 10 minutes early and throws to a couple of regions to introduce a package or live contributor for something lighter/fluffier.

Then play a sting at 7 for the Nations to opt in for the One Show proper. Any region covering a big story can stay on until 7 if they have enough material.
Write that down in your copybook now.
MA
Markyboy81 Central Reporting Scotland
I see Gordon Brewer is taking redundancy at BBC Scotland alongside Kenneth MacDonald and Reevel Alderson. Anyone know who is replacing Brewer on Politics Scotland?
WI
Willz Central Reporting Scotland
I see Gordon Brewer is taking redundancy at BBC Scotland alongside Kenneth MacDonald and Reevel Alderson. Anyone know who is replacing Brewer on Politics Scotland?

Andrew Kerr maybe?
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today


If you're lucky, they might actually bother to at least make umpteen slightly different edits of the report itself to include the crowbarred nugget of regionality. But sometimes the package itself is 100% generic, and the job of reading out statistics etc to link the item to your region is only done by your region's own studio presenters before/after the package.

I hope that BBC regions don't end up with anything that goes down quite that kind of route.


I've suggested elsewhere (it got left in the thread this got split from) that resurrecting Nationwide would be a better approach.

Cut the regional programmes by 10 mins focusing on actual news, the One Show starts 10 minutes early and throws to a couple of regions to introduce a package or live contributor for something lighter/fluffier.

Then play a sting at 7 for the Nations to opt in for the One Show proper. Any region covering a big story can stay on until 7 if they have enough material.

Yes, there was a reason that discussion never got much further.

Hasn't the length of each regional bulletin effectively been cut since March anyway, now generally starting just after 6.30 rather than just before? Another simple way to cut a few minutes would be to bring back the short lived 6.55 summary which we had in 1999, and then the weather at the end of the 6pm hour rather than a full forecast at the end of the 6pm news.

Airing from 6.32-6.55 instead of 6.28-6.57 for example is still on paper a full half-hour evening bulletin, but 6 minutes less probably would hide the loss of two reporters.
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DT
DTV Meridian (South) South Today


If you're lucky, they might actually bother to at least make umpteen slightly different edits of the report itself to include the crowbarred nugget of regionality. But sometimes the package itself is 100% generic, and the job of reading out statistics etc to link the item to your region is only done by your region's own studio presenters before/after the package.

I hope that BBC regions don't end up with anything that goes down quite that kind of route.


I've suggested elsewhere (it got left in the thread this got split from) that resurrecting Nationwide would be a better approach.

Cut the regional programmes by 10 mins focusing on actual news, the One Show starts 10 minutes early and throws to a couple of regions to introduce a package or live contributor for something lighter/fluffier.

Then play a sting at 7 for the Nations to opt in for the One Show proper. Any region covering a big story can stay on until 7 if they have enough material.

Yes, there was a reason that discussion never got much further.

Hasn't the length of each regional bulletin effectively been cut since March anyway, now generally starting just after 6.30 rather than just before? Another simple way to cut a few minutes would be to bring back the short lived 6.55 summary which we had in 1999, and then the weather at the end of the 6pm hour rather than a full forecast at the end of the 6pm news.

Airing from 6.32-6.55 instead of 6.28-6.57 for example is still on paper a full half-hour evening bulletin, but 6 minutes less probably would hide the loss of two reporters.


If you rearranged it as some sort of 'News at Six hour' and simulcast it on News Channel, you could add a shorter Sportsday bulletin to the end as well and have the News at Six presenter do a 'UK Today' style programme for NC and BBC One England HD.
AS
AlexS Central (East) Midlands Today


If you're lucky, they might actually bother to at least make umpteen slightly different edits of the report itself to include the crowbarred nugget of regionality. But sometimes the package itself is 100% generic, and the job of reading out statistics etc to link the item to your region is only done by your region's own studio presenters before/after the package.

I hope that BBC regions don't end up with anything that goes down quite that kind of route.


I've suggested elsewhere (it got left in the thread this got split from) that resurrecting Nationwide would be a better approach.

Cut the regional programmes by 10 mins focusing on actual news, the One Show starts 10 minutes early and throws to a couple of regions to introduce a package or live contributor for something lighter/fluffier.

Then play a sting at 7 for the Nations to opt in for the One Show proper. Any region covering a big story can stay on until 7 if they have enough material.

Yes, there was a reason that discussion never got much further.

Hasn't the length of each regional bulletin effectively been cut since March anyway, now generally starting just after 6.30 rather than just before? Another simple way to cut a few minutes would be to bring back the short lived 6.55 summary which we had in 1999, and then the weather at the end of the 6pm hour rather than a full forecast at the end of the 6pm news.

Airing from 6.32-6.55 instead of 6.28-6.57 for example is still on paper a full half-hour evening bulletin, but 6 minutes less probably would hide the loss of two reporters.

The regional News has been airing until 19:01 rather than 18:57 most days so it's been shifted back by a few minutes rather than moved but obviously they could retain the longer six and return to the 18:57 junction in the future without anyone really noticing.
BR
Brekkie Wales Wales Today
DTV posted:
If you rearranged it as some sort of 'News at Six hour' and simulcast it on News Channel, you could add a shorter Sportsday bulletin to the end as well and have the News at Six presenter do a 'UK Today' style programme for NC and BBC One England HD.

If some of the money saved from losing 15-20 people in each region isn't going towards finally having the English regions in HD then really what is the point?
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IS
Inspector Sands

If some of the money saved from losing 15-20 people in each region isn't going towards finally having the English regions in HD then really what is the point?

To save money. Spending it on something else doesn't help their financial situation

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