« Topics
1234...67891011
Aaron_20151,039 posts since 11 Mar 2015
Westcountry Spotlight
Fiona Bruce was the hero of the left last week for robustly challenging a Tory MP, but is now being attacked for treating a Labour MP in the same way.

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1086691126411702274?s=19

Just spotted this also


The PR team have rather chucked Bruce under the bus I feel. The majority of opinion polls have shown a Conservative lead for months, even when the Government have been in a total mess. It was entirely reasonable for Bruce to tackle Abbott on her claim.

The repeated claims that Abbott is the victim of racist abuse from the media is lazy and extremely damaging.
6
Stuart, marshmallow and 4 others
  • SW2
  • Ratflump
  • tightrope78
  • Brekkie
gave kudos
Worzel4,498 posts since 8 Jan 2008
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
I wasn't in the audience but I wouldn't be surprised if the full story goes something like this.

If you're going to hire a warm up comedian for a political show chances yet are that the act will involve a bit of political satire.

If you are a fairly senior politician who is prone to gaffes and turning up to interviews woefully under prepared, you turn yourself into a figure of ridicule and invite the attention of satirists. See also Johnson, B.

We have not heard much about the rest of the warm up, but I imagine others were also on the receiving end.

I have a real problem with people using the race card to deflect legitimate criticism, which I suspect might be happening here. Not least because it dilutes the effectiveness of people highlighting incidents of genuine racism.

Completely agree. Dianne is apparently a victim of “racist and sexist abuse” - no, she’s a victim of her own stupidity.


She makes a gaff on the radio about figures and spends the next 2-3 years getting abused and yes some of it is about race.


Sorry but that's not quite right. She's had a number of TV appearances where she's gaffed on figures, given a speech and walked off the stage in the wrong direction and has been caught using racially provocative language herself and been challenged about it by Andrew Neill. She gets the same amount of stick levelled at her as Boris Johnson does.
4
Stuart, Ratflump and 2 others
  • tightrope78
  • Steve in Pudsey
gave kudos
Inspector Sands13,259 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Quote:

If you are a fairly senior politician who is prone to gaffes and turning up to interviews woefully under prepared, you turn yourself into a figure of ridicule and invite the attention of satirists. See also Johnson, B.

Completely agree. Dianne is apparently a victim of “racist and sexist abuse” - no, she’s a victim of her own stupidity.

The example of Boris is an apt one, in particular because a few days after Diannes famous gaffe, he did almost exactly the same a couple of days later.


She does get treated very differently though. In political satire yes she is fair game (and she does get an affectionate portrayal on Dead Ringers) but outside of that she does get a lot more abuse than her peers, a lot of it very nasty and vitriolic.

A lot of that is because she's female and an ethnic minority, that's not a lazy excuse that's just sad fact. Social media, in particular Twitter, is a cesspit and women who come to prominence have to put up with a level of abuse that no man would get
1
Ratflump gave kudos
Inspector Sands13,259 posts since 25 Aug 2004
She gets the same amount of stick levelled at her as Boris Johnson does.

No, Boris is portrayed as a lovable bumbling eccentric... ah bless he's insulted a minority, put a woman in jail, cheated on his wife... Oh Boris!!


Abbott is portrayed as an incompetent simpleton.... she's got some sums wrong or walked off stage wrong.... what a stupid incompetent cow.
4
030293, Lester and 2 others
  • CraigWills
  • Brekkie
gave kudos
Worzel4,498 posts since 8 Jan 2008
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
[quote="Inspector Sands" pid="1151474"][quote="all new Phil" pid="1151463"]
Quote:

A lot of that is because she's female and an ethnic minority, that's not a lazy excuse that's just sad fact. Social media, in particular Twitter, is a cesspit and women who come to prominence have to put up with a level of abuse that no man would get


Not quite true either. A number of senior male MPs have had death threats levelled at them on social media. Boris Johnson gets a daily diet of abuse on Twitter as does Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nigel Farage. The Labour MP Stephen Timms was also stabbed.

I'm no supporter of Nigel Farage but the threats he and his family have suffered over the years have been horrendous and disgusting (in one instance his car was written off) - yet Anna Soubry gets called some disgusting language in the public and suddenly there needs to be a law passed to protect political figures from abuse.
1
derek500 gave kudos
Worzel4,498 posts since 8 Jan 2008
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
She gets the same amount of stick levelled at her as Boris Johnson does.

No, Boris is portrayed as a lovable bumbling eccentric... ah bless he's insulted a minority, put a woman in jail, cheated on his wife... Oh Boris!!


Abbott is portrayed as an incompetent simpleton.... she's got some sums wrong or walked off stage wrong.... what a stupid incompetent cow.


I seem to recall Boris Johnson getting an utter hammering politically, publically and in the media for his mishandling of said incident. He certainly wasn't branded as a lovable bafoon over that.
1
davidhorman gave kudos
Inspector Sands13,259 posts since 25 Aug 2004

I seem to recall Boris Johnson getting an utter hammering politically, publically and in the media for his mishandling of said incident. He certainly wasn't branded as a lovable bafoon over that.

For a few hours until the news cycle moved on.


Dianne Abbots maths is an internet meme (though of course Boris has done many more notable things to parody)
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 20 January 2019 6:19am
1
Spencer For Hire gave kudos
Inspector Sands13,259 posts since 25 Aug 2004

Not quite true either. A number of senior male MPs have had death threats levelled at them on social media. Boris Johnson gets a daily diet of abuse on Twitter as does Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nigel Farage. The Labour MP Stephen Timms was also stabbed.

You can't say that prominent male figures get anywhere near the level of violent or offensive sexual abuse that female ones get online. It's a well documented and reported phenomenon, and not just in the UK


Quote:
I'm no supporter of Nigel Farage but the threats he and his family have suffered over the years have been horrendous and disgusting (in one instance his car was written off) - yet Anna Soubry gets called some disgusting language in the public and suddenly there needs to be a law passed to protect political figures from abuse.

Yes, I suppose if he was in government, or even in Parliament it might have been different (certainly the parliament he is a representative in isn't going to help him! ).


I'm not saying that white male politicians have it easy, but those that aren't have it even less easy. A lot of that is just racist if mashogonist a-holes hiding behind a computer and programming he Russian bots. But a lot comes from the culture that pervades the commons and the establishment in general.
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 20 January 2019 6:18am
1
Spencer For Hire gave kudos
Aaron_20151,039 posts since 11 Mar 2015
Westcountry Spotlight
Quote:

If you are a fairly senior politician who is prone to gaffes and turning up to interviews woefully under prepared, you turn yourself into a figure of ridicule and invite the attention of satirists. See also Johnson, B.

Completely agree. Dianne is apparently a victim of “racist and sexist abuse” - no, she’s a victim of her own stupidity.

The example of Boris is an apt one, in particular because a few days after Diannes famous gaffe, he did almost exactly the same a couple of days later.


She does get treated very differently though. In political satire yes she is fair game (and she does get an affectionate portrayal on Dead Ringers) but outside of that she does get a lot more abuse than her peers, a lot of it very nasty and vitriolic.

A lot of that is because she's female and an ethnic minority, that's not a lazy excuse that's just sad fact. Social media, in particular Twitter, is a cesspit and women who come to prominence have to put up with a level of abuse that no man would get


There’s no doubt that Abbott gets more abuse on Twitter, and I’m sure part of the reason why is race. What I actually referred to as lazy was accusations of racism in the media itself. The suggestion that organisations like the BBC are ‘legitimising racist abuse’ by tackling a well known politician on a show involving debate is ridiculous. Interrupting somebody on a question based format is not indicative of racism. Making these claims, rather than simply accepting an interview/appearance didn’t go particularly well, is damaging in that it reduces focus on genuine instances of racist abuse.

The BBC and/or Fiona Bruce have no need to make an apology, and should not do so in my opinion.
4
SW2, gordonthegopher and 2 others
  • Worzel
  • Brekkie
gave kudos