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BBC Parliament to repeat EU referendum results

Sat 23rd June (June 2018)

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Worzel

Oh, everyone who voted leave must be extremist hey? Sounds like some of the tripe put out by the remain side in the campaign.


Well you've posted some pretty extremist crap that sounds like it could have come from the pages of the Daily Express of the mouth of Jacob Rees-Mogg.


'Extremist crap?' You tell me on here where I have been enciting extreme views or hatred. At a push i've been very full on about my dislike of Oneness idents in TV Home, but I don't think that counts.

I'm quite happy for my very reasonable views on Brexit to be questioned. But just to call someone extreme off the back of disagreeing with how they voted in the referendum is quite frankly not on.

Re. Mr Rees Mogg, if you can find a link to where he's encited extreme views on Brexit, feel free to share.
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itsrobert Founding member
I'm amazed you're all still arguing in here, cos you just know this'll all be deleted by tomorrow

Yes I should know better for being a former moderator! But it would be a shame as I for one have found it very therapeutic to thrash out some of the issues. That's the great thing about democracy - we can all disagree over politics, but come together around TV Pres. Long live TV Forum!
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Worzel
I'm amazed you're all still arguing in here, cos you just know this'll all be deleted by tomorrow

Yes I should know better for being a former moderator! But it would be a shame as I for one have found it very therapeutic to thrash out some of the issues. That's the great thing about democracy - we can all disagree over politics, but come together around TV Pres. Long live TV Forum!


At least i've been able to have a reasonable debate with you, unlike at least one other FM on here claiming 'extreme views' have been posted.
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james-2001
Oh yeah don't get me started on the £350 million NHS argument. Didn't a recent report come out saying that it would cost billions to fix all the UK's potholes alone? It's a drop in the ocean!


Don't worry, plenty of brexiteers now are telling us nobody was influenced by the £350 million claim and it was only a minor issue. Even though it was plastered on the bus and the vote leave website.

And they're also telling us the country voted to leave the single market and the customs union. Even though the customs union was barely even mentioned during the referendum (I doubt most people even knew it existed until well afterwards- and I still don't think most people, on either side of the debate, truly understand it) and plenty of prominent leavers (including BoJo) were telling us we weren't going to leave the single market and we could keep the best bits of EU membership and throw away what we don't like. Now BoJo's one of the strongest advocates for a hard brexit. Plenty of rewriting history in action there.

So many lies were told, and imagine if it had been a narrow remain victory, I'm sure the leave side would have been screaming blue murder about any remain misrepresentations and demanding another vote. But now the leave lies are coming to light, we're beng told we should sit back and accept the "will of the people"? Yeah, right.
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james-2001
Incidentally, do you know how many deep recessions that have led to people losing jobs and homes there have been since we joined in 1973? How much division there has been in this nation through that time? Mass unemployment, riots, North-South divide, negative equity, 27% inflation just after we joined. All while we have been inside the Common Market/EEC/EC/EU. In the 1970's, the 1980's, the 1990's and in the past decade again, deep recessions. The EU hasn't shielded the UK from any economic or social chaos.


But did the EU itself actually CAUSE any of that? Just because bad things happened while we were in there doesn't mean it's the EU's fault, or things would have been any better if we weren't in it.

And leaving the EU is clearly going to cause a lot of jobs to be lost through the fact that so many companies won't be able to do business here, or won't be able to do it as easily, so they'll up and move to within the EU and single market where they can continue unhindered. Just because jobs have been lost while we were in the EU doesn't mean we should cause tens of thousands of further unneeded job losses by flouncing out. I'm sure all those workers in the car factories or the financial sector are going to be so happy to see their jobs go off to continental Europe and our economy go down the pan because of lost business when it didn't need to happen. Because those companies aren't going to stay here with the significant barriers that leaving the single market and customs union and having to set up customs inspections on the borders will cause them.
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james-2001
And the Euro is a very good case in point. We successfully steered ourselves away from the Euro whilst remaining full decision-making members of the EU.


Our quite significant clout in the EU led to us being able to agree several opt-outs, which included not having to join the Euro. I've always been dead against us joining the Euro, but if we stayed in the EU as things are now, we'd likely never have to join. Whereas if we leave and it ends up being a disaster and we have to go crawling back a few years later, you can be sure they'll make joining the Euro one of the requirements (and you can be sure the rest of our opt-outs will be gone too). We're throwing all this stuff away for no good reason. We weren't an unimportant minor player in the EU that nobody listened to despite how much some brexiters like to think we were. Whereas if we leave, things go bad and we have to go crawling back with our reputation in tatters, I doubt they'd be taking our opinion as highly or giving us special exemptions.
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Worzel
Still waiting for you to tell me what words i've used and where i've been enciting 'extremest crap' james-2001...
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james-2001
As I said, extremist in the sense that it sounds like the stuff the Daily Express and JRM come out with. And as far as I'm concerned, they are extremists, even if you don't see them that way.

I'm probably a "remoaner extremist" from some people's points of view anyway.

I'm not going any further into this lest I get banned from the forum.

I've had a ****, stressful day that's virtually driven me to tears anyway (nothing to do with brexit or this forum) and I can't be bothered. Maybe you can partly blame my attitude tonight on that.
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As I said, extremist in the sense that it sounds like the stuff the Daily Express and JRM come out with. And as far as I'm concerned, they are extremists, even if you don't see them that way.

I'm probably a "remoaner extremist" from some people's points of view anyway.

I'm not going any further into this lest I get banned from the forum.


Has anyone on here called you a 'remoaner extremist'? No, they haven't. You can't point out where I've said anything extreme, because I haven't either. In fact I've not mentioned anything about the various reasons people voted for Brexit, including myself. I've just been defending the way I voted which I'm entitled to do. So where I've 'sounded like the Daily Express or Jacob Rees-Mogg' is quite baffling.

I'm sorry you've had a bad day, but you can't go around accusing people of being extremist when there's no evidence of such a thing.

Now can we at least try and get the thread back on track about TV Pres...
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bilky asko
Wow, there is so much deranged claptrap in this thread.

You know it's time to give up when over 1,200,000 votes is called the tiniest of margins.

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