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BBC Parliament to repeat EU referendum results

Sat 23rd June (June 2018)

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Worzel
Jon posted:
There’s a difference between someone being ‘bitter’ than somebody thinking there was a mistake made and believing the outcome will be rather bleak.


We don't know what the outcome will be, like we don't know if Cameron's 'reforms' he came back with on the back of a fag packet would've ever happened if a remain vote would have won.

Let's convene this coversation after 29th March 2019 (or when we do eventually leave).
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Worzel
Jon posted:
I give up Rolling Eyes If there was a facepalm emoticon I'd be using it right now.


You see, they're the types of condescending remarks which led, in part, to the leave vote in the first place.

No it was three very rich men with the power to influence millions, to whom the outcome would make very little difference in terms of their personal fortunes that lead to the leave vote.


Meanwhile - Cameron, Clegg and Adonis on the remain side. They were really hoping for their grossly overpaid presidents/commissioners jobs. Very Happy
LL
London Lite Founding member
I'd rather we stayed in the EU, but I suspect the Brexiteers won't see how much of a complete cock-up they made until after we leave.

The next decade is going to be a bumpy ride.
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Worzel
I'd rather we stayed in the EU, but I suspect the Brexiteers won't see how much of a complete cock-up they made until after we leave.

The next decade is going to be a bumpy ride.


Well the Remoaners could be proved wrong.... toooooo.... (we're not Mystic Meg's here). Razz
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Brekkie
The leavers are wrong and they know it - that's why they're petrified of being held to account by democracy. Even with Strictly viewers are allowed to change their mind from week to week, but with a decision which could leave the nation literally starving it seems one narrow vote at one moment in time is all we need, even if within months many take a different view.

Trying desperately to loosely link this back to television Brexit is the equivalent of choosing the Strictly Champion before a single show has aired, and with inaccurate voting information, and then deciding they must be the Strictly Champion year after year after year.
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james-2001


You see, they're the types of condescending remarks which led, in part, to the leave vote in the first place.


People voted leave to get back at "condescending remarks", not because they thought it would be best for the country? No wonder we're in such a mess right now.
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itsrobert Founding member
What I find very disturbing in the past 5 years is how lawful and democratic election results, such as the EU referendum in 2016, the Scottish Indy one in 2014 and the US Election in 2016 have all produced an unexpected but wholly legitimate result yet there are large sections on the losing sides in those elections that actually appear to not want to accept the lawful and democratic decision and continue to this day to try to undermine. This is something quite new.

That's democracy. I didn't realise that because about 2% more voters voted to leave, that meant everyone now has to have the same opinion? The decision was taken to leave and I accept that. There's nothing I nor anyone else can do to change that (well, technically referendums are not binding in the UK so regardless of the vote, it is ultimately up to the Government/Parliament, but that's splitting hairs) but we are still as entitled to disagree with the outcome as Brexiteers are to agree with it.

One thing we are all agreed on is that we won't know the true outcome for a very long time. But that shouldn't stop us from debating with each other and ultimately holding our representatives to account.
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james-2001
Bitterness is a very extreme and destructive emotion to be feeling over the referendum result.


Considering the road to ruin we're heading down with a government that clearly has no idea what they're doing or what they even want from brexit, with pretty much nothing the leave campaign promised looking like it's going to be remotely close to happening, being stemrollered through despite the narrowest margin of victory int he referendum, I think we have a right to be bitter.
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itsrobert Founding member

And it's not just about Brexit - I am very worried about the state of the whole world right now. I can see a growing trend towards a jingoistic, selfish "I'm only in it for myself" attitude from countries and individuals around me. Maybe being a history graduate isn't helping me here because I have studied and realise that patterns are emerging from times in history we really don't want to be repeating.

If that makes me bitter, then so be it.


Bitterness is a very extreme and destructive emotion to be feeling over the referendum result.

Why? The impact of this decision is so large on our country that the effects will be felt one way or another for most of my working life. At this moment in time, I am deeply concerned about the future.
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Worzel
The leavers are wrong and they know it - that's why they're petrified of being held to account by democracy. Even with Strictly viewers are allowed to change their mind from week to week, but with a decision which could leave the nation literally starving it seems one narrow vote at one moment in time is all we need, even if within months many take a different view.

Trying desperately to loosely link this back to television Brexit is the equivalent of choosing the Strictly Champion before a single show has aired, and with inaccurate voting information, and then deciding they must be the Strictly Champion year after year after year.


Do you know something? I think we should have a complete re-run of last year's Strictly final? But we won't call it a re-run, it'll be a second contest with the same celebs. I don't agree with the notion that Joe McFadden 'won'. You see, here's the thing. 52% of the vote wasn't conclusive. What about the 48%? The people that voted for him, some might call 'Little Strictliers' didn't know what they were voting for. They were told somewhere on Twitter he'd do the foxtrot and tap his head and rub his tummy at the same time after winning, but... to the country's disgust and horror, he did neither. If Debbie McGee had won, the outcome would have been better because she was going to strut the tango and pull a rabbit out of a hat - that definitely would have happened upon a McGee win no questions asked, so let's give Debs another roll of the dice. Rolling Eyes
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