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MA
Markymark
noggin posted:
globaltraffic24 posted:

Sadly, though, the BBC is actually pretty poor at serving minority audiences. In the 90s it started to shine in this respect. We're now left the remains of that. Other than BBC Asian Network and BBC Alba, there isn't much there that would tick a true 'minority' box.

The BBC also now funds S4C - that's also a service aimed at a minority audience...


Yes, but that is serving minority demographic etc groups, they still largely ignore minority interests,

Non exhaustive list :-

DIY and building work
Angling
Motoring (Top Gear doesn't count)
Sailing
Potholing/Mountaineering
Computing and Electronics

The problem is broadcasters (not just the BBC) seem to imagine if they make programmes
for minority interests, they have to be 'accessible' by the whole population, so you usually end
up with dumbed down nonsense that no one wants to watch.

In other words, unless it can get decent (sic) ratings, it won't happen, well that's not serving minorities, is it ?
TI
tightrope78
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
globaltraffic24 posted:

Sadly, though, the BBC is actually pretty poor at serving minority audiences. In the 90s it started to shine in this respect. We're now left the remains of that. Other than BBC Asian Network and BBC Alba, there isn't much there that would tick a true 'minority' box.

The BBC also now funds S4C - that's also a service aimed at a minority audience...


Yes, but that is serving minority demographic etc groups, they still largely ignore minority interests,

Non exhaustive list :-

DIY and building work
Angling
Motoring (Top Gear doesn't count)
Sailing
Potholing/Mountaineering
Computing and Electronics

The problem is broadcasters (not just the BBC) seem to imagine if they make programmes
for minority interests, they have to be 'accessible' by the whole population, so you usually end
up with dumbed down nonsense that no one wants to watch.

In other words, unless it can get decent (sic) ratings, it won't happen, well that's not serving minorities, is it ?

A simply ridiculous comparison. You can't compare those categories with providing a television service for a nation of 5.4 million people! A service that everyone else in the country will also be able to easily access.
MA
Markymark
tightrope78 posted:
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
The BBC also now funds S4C - that's also a service aimed at a minority audience...


Yes, but that is serving minority demographic etc groups, they still largely ignore minority interests,

Non exhaustive list :-

DIY and building work
Angling
Motoring (Top Gear doesn't count)
Sailing
Potholing/Mountaineering
Computing and Electronics

The problem is broadcasters (not just the BBC) seem to imagine if they make programmes
for minority interests, they have to be 'accessible' by the whole population, so you usually end
up with dumbed down nonsense that no one wants to watch.

In other words, unless it can get decent (sic) ratings, it won't happen, well that's not serving minorities, is it ?

A simply ridiculous comparison. You can't compare those categories with providing a television service for a nation of 5.4 million people! A service that everyone else in the country will also be able to easily access.


Well, I wasn't, I've got no problem with BBC Scotland (where did I say I had ?), I'm just trying to drill down to see where the threshold is for 'minority' broadcasting
SP
Steve in Pudsey
tightrope78 posted:
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
The BBC also now funds S4C - that's also a service aimed at a minority audience...


Yes, but that is serving minority demographic etc groups, they still largely ignore minority interests,

Non exhaustive list :-

DIY and building work
Angling
Motoring (Top Gear doesn't count)
Sailing
Potholing/Mountaineering
Computing and Electronics

The problem is broadcasters (not just the BBC) seem to imagine if they make programmes
for minority interests, they have to be 'accessible' by the whole population, so you usually end
up with dumbed down nonsense that no one wants to watch.

In other words, unless it can get decent (sic) ratings, it won't happen, well that's not serving minorities, is it ?

A simply ridiculous comparison. You can't compare those categories with providing a television service for a nation of 5.4 million people! A service that everyone else in the country will also be able to easily access.


But you can legitimately ask why there isn't a similar channel for the West Midlands and its population of 5.8 million. They pay the same licence fee as Scottish households, so it could look - at least superficially - as though the good people of the Midlands are subsiding BBC Scotland.
MA
Markymark
Steve in Pudsey posted:

But you can legitimately ask why there isn't a similar channel for the West Midlands and its population of 5.8 million. They pay the same licence fee as Scottish households, so it could look - at least superficially - as though the good people of the Midlands are subsiding BBC Scotland.


This is where the IBA/ITV model of PSB broadcasting arguably was better. An ITV company had to make regional programmes, based on its ability (which was driven by its revenue, driven by population coverage)
to provide them.

Consequently Central had to provide broadly the same level of regional output as STV, Grampian and Border combined.

Where it fell down was in for example Northern Ireland where UTV's revenue wasn't enough alone to support what was a 'busy' news region. In that case in the 70s and 80s, didn't ITN contribute resources ?
Last edited by Markymark on 15 February 2019 7:31am
Steve in Pudsey and tightrope78 gave kudos
LH
lhx1985
I think there is a strong argument for a public service need for these BBC Scotland-style channels in the other nations and the English regions.

I certainly don't begrudge Scotland for having more content tailored to that nation. I am more jealous that the rest of us have to make do with 24 minute regional news magazine where they stop showing news halfway through to concentrate on stuff the One Show rejected.

Regional content has dwindled and dwindled. Outside of the regional news and the odd political thing, there's nothing. Not even those cheap 'heres some footage of where you live shot from a helicopter' things that were being served up in the early 2000s.

I appreciate that funding the BBC isn't from an infinite pot, and no, I don't have the answer for that. But that's not to say it shuldn't be looked into.

I know in Poland, regional (and to some extent local) is on the dedicated TVP3 network. Germany has a different model too.

I wonder if having a regularly updated (but not necessarily live) NY1-style news-wheel channel might be workable (and economical).
JW
JamesWorldNews
Stephen Jardine announced as the host of a debate series on the channel.
AN
all new Phil
lhx1985 posted:
I think there is a strong argument for a public service need for these BBC Scotland-style channels in the other nations and the English regions.

I certainly don't begrudge Scotland for having more content tailored to that nation. I am more jealous that the rest of us have to make do with 24 minute regional news magazine where they stop showing news halfway through to concentrate on stuff the One Show rejected.

Regional content has dwindled and dwindled. Outside of the regional news and the odd political thing, there's nothing. Not even those cheap 'heres some footage of where you live shot from a helicopter' things that were being served up in the early 2000s.

I appreciate that funding the BBC isn't from an infinite pot, and no, I don't have the answer for that. But that's not to say it shuldn't be looked into.

I know in Poland, regional (and to some extent local) is on the dedicated TVP3 network. Germany has a different model too.

I wonder if having a regularly updated (but not necessarily live) NY1-style news-wheel channel might be workable (and economical).

Let’s not forget, a lot of the National news on the BBC isn’t relevant to Scotland due to the nature of devolved government, particularly when it comes to things like health. This doesn’t really apply equally to English regions.
LH
lhx1985
Sure, Scotland has a separate legal system and a whole devolved government that needs proper scrutiny.

But most of the decisions that actually have an impact on your life are taking place on a regional and sub regional level. There is little scrutiny of that and the average Joe knows nothing about it.

You mention health as an example. There is no such thing as a truly National Health Service - it's a patchwork of local and regional trusts.

I'd say it does apply to the English regions. They don't have any real resource to hold power to account.

National news on the BBC isn't much more relevant to some bloke in Leeds as it is to a guy in Glasgow. The national news focuses on London and the South East and the soap opera that is Westminster.
UK
UKNewsHound
The @BBCScotNine twitter now has preview videos of the presenters, complete with endboards...



BR
Brekkie
Turn your phone around!!!!!!
RK
Rkolsen
Brekkie posted:
Turn your phone around!!!!!!


From the way the graphics are they probably are posting this on Instagram. It’s easier to post a vertical video as a square on Instagram than a horizontal,

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