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Rolling News1,120 posts since 27 Dec 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
it doesn’t seem to me that Carrie has enjoyed her job over the last 2 years. No sparkle in her eye like she used to have on the news channel.

She's hardly ever on these days, 3 maybe 4 hours a week. News at Nine on Mondays and Newsroom Live on Fridays, as well as occasionally doing an evening shift once every other week as well as the News at Five, and sometimes covering Shaun Ley on Dateline. Nothing compared to when she used to bounce off Simon McCoy 4 mornings a week.


Total poppycock!

She's main cover for Antia and Simon, first and foremost and she's also a main cover for the 5. The BBC are treating her as she should be treated- with respect.

Carrie ain't going nowhere.

In her original stint she wasn't main cover for anybody. She always had her own full time gig. From 1999 to about 2003 (?) she did 7-10pm every night with Gavin Esler. She then went part time after having children and primarily did weekends and weekday relief work, but then got another full time gig in the mornings with Simon McCoy from 2008 to 2014 (when she left to become China Editor). Granted there's less shifts now and it would be unfair to kick off Annita, Joanna or Simon (the only News Channel presenters left with a full time job) to fit her in. But they could give her the 6:30pm-midnight shift, which is crying out for a fixed presenter now Clive Myrie seems to only present on BBC One.
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Luke2,668 posts since 6 Oct 2003
So called "parity" comes at a price - and that price is inevitably the job of someone on a lower salary. Both Carrie and Samira may have made their point but ultimately I think they've lost respect in doing so.

Unbelievable post.
"You've made your point women, now pipe down"
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Schwing238 posts since 13 Oct 2004
BBC World News
So called "parity" comes at a price - and that price is inevitably the job of someone on a lower salary. Both Carrie and Samira may have made their point but ultimately I think they've lost respect in doing so.

Unbelievable post.
"You've made your point women, now pipe down"

Perhaps I’m being obtuse but I fail to see the issue with Brekkie’s post. The inference from Carrie Gracie’s remarks is that parity and cost-savings will come at the expense of those lower down the food chain, as opposed to the managers and ‘suits’ behind the scenes.

How you can extrapolate “now pipe down” from Brekkie’s remarks is a loss to me. There were others at the BBC who found themselves in a similar position - Sarah Montague is a prime example. She didn’t feel the need to pursue legal action per se to achieve parity or seek redress (which we now know was less than it should have been by mutual agreement).

It is possible to ‘fight the good fight’ without rocking the boat in the manner that Carrie Gracie and certainly Samira Ahmed did. I would add, however, that both Samira Ahmed and Jeremy Vine were represented by the same agent. Though it would be highly inappropriate and unethical (such as it is) to use the latter’s remuneration as leverage for the former, the agents should shoulder some of the blame. They should be working to maximise their clients’ earnings.
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Newsroom1,985 posts since 2 Mar 2005 Banned for 1 week
They'll have to find a place for Victoria Derbyshire soon enough to throw into the mix.
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Luke2,668 posts since 6 Oct 2003
So called "parity" comes at a price - and that price is inevitably the job of someone on a lower salary. Both Carrie and Samira may have made their point but ultimately I think they've lost respect in doing so.

Unbelievable post.
"You've made your point women, now pipe down"

It is possible to ‘fight the good fight’ without rocking the boat in the manner that Carrie Gracie and certainly Samira Ahmed did. I would add, however, that both Samira Ahmed and Jeremy Vine were represented by the same agent. Though it would be highly inappropriate and unethical (such as it is) to use the latter’s remuneration as leverage for the former, the agents should shoulder some of the blame. They should be working to maximise their clients’ earnings.


Not obtuse. we just disagree. you need people to rock the boat with any cause. The 'ultimately I think they've lost respect' line is unsubstantiated nonsense.
Just think some people on this forum have an issue with female broadcasters who don't keep their heads down.
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Jon8,359 posts since 11 Apr 2005
Central (West) Midlands Today

Just think some people on this forum have an issue with female broadcasters who don't keep their heads down.

For the most part it’s not though, the problem most people have isn’t because they put their views across, it’s simply that they fundamentally disagree with that viewpoint.
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Newsroom1,985 posts since 2 Mar 2005 Banned for 1 week
They'll have to find a place for Victoria Derbyshire soon enough to throw into the mix.

She might go back to radio or be made redundant


She won't be made redundant, The BBC made it clear they were committed to her as a broadcaster and journalist.
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Schwing238 posts since 13 Oct 2004
BBC World News
Unbelievable post.
"You've made your point women, now pipe down"

It is possible to ‘fight the good fight’ without rocking the boat in the manner that Carrie Gracie and certainly Samira Ahmed did. I would add, however, that both Samira Ahmed and Jeremy Vine were represented by the same agent. Though it would be highly inappropriate and unethical (such as it is) to use the latter’s remuneration as leverage for the former, the agents should shoulder some of the blame. They should be working to maximise their clients’ earnings.


Not obtuse. we just disagree. you need people to rock the boat with any cause. The 'ultimately I think they've lost respect' line is unsubstantiated nonsense.
Just think some people on this forum have an issue with female broadcasters who don't keep their heads down.


I said I failed to see the issue with Brekkie's post - which both articulated and summarised Carrie Gracie's own comments. Moreover, Brekkie recognised that both women had made their point but, in his opinion , they had lost respect. I questioned how it was that you could extrapolate a position ("You've made your point women, now pipe down") from a singular expression of opinion by Brekkie. The qualifier "I think" is important - it elevates the comment from the "unsubstantiated nonsense" to which you refer and makes it an expression of free thought.

I'll put it another way. There is no difference between Brekkie's comment that "ultimately I think they've lost respect" and the comment "Just think some people on this forum have an issue with female broadcasters who don't keep their heads down." Who said that? Oh. You. It's an expression of your free thought.
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