JA
Hopefully, but not as good as N8.
Well yes hopefully. If it were me I'd move World into N6 (not being Worldist - just think since their bulletins are more structured it makes more sense), move News 24 into N9 (World's current area) to let some renovating get done in N8 then move back into N8 and close N9. Still has the same outcome...
Moz posted:
dragonhhjh posted:
It should a heck of a lot better when they do move.
Hopefully, but not as good as N8.
Well yes hopefully. If it were me I'd move World into N6 (not being Worldist - just think since their bulletins are more structured it makes more sense), move News 24 into N9 (World's current area) to let some renovating get done in N8 then move back into N8 and close N9. Still has the same outcome...
MO
Hopefully, but not as good as N8.
Hopefully the lighting, racking and camerawork will be quite a lot better.
Well I don't think most people actually notice to be honest. I watch News 24 all the time in N8 and I've never considered the lighting to be noticeably poor. When they moved into N6 temporarily it did look better, but in TC7 the lighting is awful for the 6 and 10 - too dark, and the Barco backdrop makes the backdrop that was dark blue in N6 assume a pinkish hue in TC7.
noggin posted:
Moz posted:
dragonhhjh posted:
It should a heck of a lot better when they do move.
Hopefully, but not as good as N8.
Hopefully the lighting, racking and camerawork will be quite a lot better.
Well I don't think most people actually notice to be honest. I watch News 24 all the time in N8 and I've never considered the lighting to be noticeably poor. When they moved into N6 temporarily it did look better, but in TC7 the lighting is awful for the 6 and 10 - too dark, and the Barco backdrop makes the backdrop that was dark blue in N6 assume a pinkish hue in TC7.
DD
I agree there that the lights in N8 are ok, but they are much better in N6.
In all fairness, i though the sport looked good 'stood'. The bckground was a little stretched, but that should be sorted.
In all fairness, i though the sport looked good 'stood'. The bckground was a little stretched, but that should be sorted.
NG
Hopefully, but not as good as N8.
Hopefully the lighting, racking and camerawork will be quite a lot better.
Well I don't think most people actually notice to be honest.
A lot of people wouldn't notice if stuff was shot on miniDV and S-VHS - that isn't a reason not to strive to deliver the highest quality you can.
A lot of people can't hear the difference between stereo or mono - should we make everything with mono sound?
I watch News 24 all the time in N8 and I've never considered the lighting to be noticeably poor.
Have you visited an optician in the last few years? The lighting on News 24, and even moreso the racking, is often appalling.
I'm not saying that the lighting and racking on the BBC One and Two news studio output is often that much to write home about either - but it is usually a bit better, and often hugely better, than News 24 (and World)
When they moved into N6 temporarily it did look better, but in TC7 the lighting is awful for the 6 and 10 - too dark, and the Barco backdrop makes the backdrop that was dark blue in N6 assume a pinkish hue in TC7.
The dark vs light thing is obviously an aesthetic decision - but one thing can't be debated - the racking currently is streets ahead of News 24 (and a major improvement on the normal BBC One studio - which is odd as they have identical cameras - though fewer people to do it)
The cameras on the Six and Ten match much better than they did in the previous BBC One studio - and MUCH better than they usually do in News 24.
noggin
Founding member
Moz posted:
noggin posted:
Moz posted:
dragonhhjh posted:
It should a heck of a lot better when they do move.
Hopefully, but not as good as N8.
Hopefully the lighting, racking and camerawork will be quite a lot better.
Well I don't think most people actually notice to be honest.
A lot of people wouldn't notice if stuff was shot on miniDV and S-VHS - that isn't a reason not to strive to deliver the highest quality you can.
A lot of people can't hear the difference between stereo or mono - should we make everything with mono sound?
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I watch News 24 all the time in N8 and I've never considered the lighting to be noticeably poor.
Have you visited an optician in the last few years? The lighting on News 24, and even moreso the racking, is often appalling.
I'm not saying that the lighting and racking on the BBC One and Two news studio output is often that much to write home about either - but it is usually a bit better, and often hugely better, than News 24 (and World)
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When they moved into N6 temporarily it did look better, but in TC7 the lighting is awful for the 6 and 10 - too dark, and the Barco backdrop makes the backdrop that was dark blue in N6 assume a pinkish hue in TC7.
The dark vs light thing is obviously an aesthetic decision - but one thing can't be debated - the racking currently is streets ahead of News 24 (and a major improvement on the normal BBC One studio - which is odd as they have identical cameras - though fewer people to do it)
The cameras on the Six and Ten match much better than they did in the previous BBC One studio - and MUCH better than they usually do in News 24.
NG
Apologies if it comes over as arrogance. It isn't meant to. As for knowledge - I rate experience over knowledge every time...
However there are times when people post ill-informed opinions, and make sweeping statements about subjects they - by the content of their statements - obviously have little knowledge of, or training in.
I do my best to correct misconceptions, and provide a bit of explanation and context, and actual decent technical and craft information. However sometimes the level of arrogance of people here takes my breath away...
I've lost count of the number of posts which suggest that posters here could do a better job than those doing it for real... If they could do a better job - why don't they do it rather than carping from the sidelines?
The nature of a forum such as this is that anyone can post anything irrespective of age, experience, knowledge etc. That is a great leveller - but also means that those with experience, training and knowledge of the industry are commenting in the same threads as those with little of any of these.
I do my best to post in a style (with explanation) that matches how I would discuss stuff with my colleagues - to do otherwise would be to patronise and condescend - and I don't feel that is appropriate.
If I'm to take part in a discussion in a thread I'm not going to let misconceptions and mistakes go uncorrected, and neither am I going to let sweeping statements, that I as a reasonably informed and experienced person working in the industry don't agree with, go unchallenged.
Hopefully some of my posts here have actually provided people with useful information.
Be interested to know how many people know what "racking" is...
noggin
Founding member
the eye posted:
I respect your knowledge noggin but do you have to be so arrogant about it?
Apologies if it comes over as arrogance. It isn't meant to. As for knowledge - I rate experience over knowledge every time...
However there are times when people post ill-informed opinions, and make sweeping statements about subjects they - by the content of their statements - obviously have little knowledge of, or training in.
I do my best to correct misconceptions, and provide a bit of explanation and context, and actual decent technical and craft information. However sometimes the level of arrogance of people here takes my breath away...
I've lost count of the number of posts which suggest that posters here could do a better job than those doing it for real... If they could do a better job - why don't they do it rather than carping from the sidelines?
The nature of a forum such as this is that anyone can post anything irrespective of age, experience, knowledge etc. That is a great leveller - but also means that those with experience, training and knowledge of the industry are commenting in the same threads as those with little of any of these.
I do my best to post in a style (with explanation) that matches how I would discuss stuff with my colleagues - to do otherwise would be to patronise and condescend - and I don't feel that is appropriate.
If I'm to take part in a discussion in a thread I'm not going to let misconceptions and mistakes go uncorrected, and neither am I going to let sweeping statements, that I as a reasonably informed and experienced person working in the industry don't agree with, go unchallenged.
Hopefully some of my posts here have actually provided people with useful information.
Be interested to know how many people know what "racking" is...
MO
Apologies if it comes over as arrogance. It isn't meant to. As for knowledge - I rate experience over knowledge every time...
However there are times when people post ill-informed opinions, and make sweeping statements about subjects they - by the content of their statements - obviously have little knowledge of, or training in.
I do my best to correct misconceptions, and provide a bit of explanation and context, and actual decent technical and craft information. However sometimes the level of arrogance of people here takes my breath away...
I've lost count of the number of posts which suggest that posters here could do a better job than those doing it for real... If they could do a better job - why don't they do it rather than carping from the sidelines?
The nature of a forum such as this is that anyone can post anything irrespective of age, experience, knowledge etc. That is a great leveller - but also means that those with experience, training and knowledge of the industry are commenting in the same threads as those with little of any of these.
I do my best to post in a style (with explanation) that matches how I would discuss stuff with my colleagues - to do otherwise would be to patronise and condescend - and I don't feel that is appropriate.
If I'm to take part in a discussion in a thread I'm not going to let misconceptions and mistakes go uncorrected, and neither am I going to let sweeping statements, that I as a reasonably informed and experienced person working in the industry don't agree with, go unchallenged.
Hopefully some of my posts here have actually provided people with useful information.
Be interested to know how many people know what "racking" is...
I don't actually think you have to know anything at all about the industry, or how what appears on screen comes about, to know what you like, or notice.
Obviously you have an interest in the tech side because it's your job. I don't. I just care what I see. Now if I see something that I don't like, then I may be interested in the tech part.
You keep mentioning racking in your last few posts as if you're showing off that you know what it is and no-one else does, ner ner ner! I don't care what it is.
noggin posted:
the eye posted:
I respect your knowledge noggin but do you have to be so arrogant about it?
Apologies if it comes over as arrogance. It isn't meant to. As for knowledge - I rate experience over knowledge every time...
However there are times when people post ill-informed opinions, and make sweeping statements about subjects they - by the content of their statements - obviously have little knowledge of, or training in.
I do my best to correct misconceptions, and provide a bit of explanation and context, and actual decent technical and craft information. However sometimes the level of arrogance of people here takes my breath away...
I've lost count of the number of posts which suggest that posters here could do a better job than those doing it for real... If they could do a better job - why don't they do it rather than carping from the sidelines?
The nature of a forum such as this is that anyone can post anything irrespective of age, experience, knowledge etc. That is a great leveller - but also means that those with experience, training and knowledge of the industry are commenting in the same threads as those with little of any of these.
I do my best to post in a style (with explanation) that matches how I would discuss stuff with my colleagues - to do otherwise would be to patronise and condescend - and I don't feel that is appropriate.
If I'm to take part in a discussion in a thread I'm not going to let misconceptions and mistakes go uncorrected, and neither am I going to let sweeping statements, that I as a reasonably informed and experienced person working in the industry don't agree with, go unchallenged.
Hopefully some of my posts here have actually provided people with useful information.
Be interested to know how many people know what "racking" is...
I don't actually think you have to know anything at all about the industry, or how what appears on screen comes about, to know what you like, or notice.
Obviously you have an interest in the tech side because it's your job. I don't. I just care what I see. Now if I see something that I don't like, then I may be interested in the tech part.
You keep mentioning racking in your last few posts as if you're showing off that you know what it is and no-one else does, ner ner ner! I don't care what it is.
NG
Apologies if it comes over as arrogance. It isn't meant to. As for knowledge - I rate experience over knowledge every time...
However there are times when people post ill-informed opinions, and make sweeping statements about subjects they - by the content of their statements - obviously have little knowledge of, or training in.
I do my best to correct misconceptions, and provide a bit of explanation and context, and actual decent technical and craft information. However sometimes the level of arrogance of people here takes my breath away...
I've lost count of the number of posts which suggest that posters here could do a better job than those doing it for real... If they could do a better job - why don't they do it rather than carping from the sidelines?
The nature of a forum such as this is that anyone can post anything irrespective of age, experience, knowledge etc. That is a great leveller - but also means that those with experience, training and knowledge of the industry are commenting in the same threads as those with little of any of these.
I do my best to post in a style (with explanation) that matches how I would discuss stuff with my colleagues - to do otherwise would be to patronise and condescend - and I don't feel that is appropriate.
If I'm to take part in a discussion in a thread I'm not going to let misconceptions and mistakes go uncorrected, and neither am I going to let sweeping statements, that I as a reasonably informed and experienced person working in the industry don't agree with, go unchallenged.
Hopefully some of my posts here have actually provided people with useful information.
Be interested to know how many people know what "racking" is...
I don't actually think you have to know anything at all about the industry, or how what appears on screen comes about, to know what you like, or notice.
Obviously you have an interest in the tech side because it's your job.
Don't make assumptions about my job!
I'm actually employed in a remarkably non-techy role at the moment...
I don't. I just care what I see. Now if I see something that I don't like, then I may be interested in the tech part.
Absolutely - I don't disagree with that at all.
Everyone is welcome to their opinions as to what they like or don't like.
They are welcome to say they like the lighting on a certain show, or they dislike it.
Some people like certain styles of lighting - others like different styles of lighting.
However there are also some basic - pretty fundamental - areas where lighting can be objectively described as bad.
You keep mentioning racking in your last few posts as if you're showing off that you know what it is and no-one else does, ner ner ner! I don't care what it is.
I'm just trying to explain that what you see on-screen isn't just a product of the lighting of the person and set - the racking of the cameras is also a major part of the picture you see at home - and people seldom consider this, or objectively separate the two.
The reason I stressed it is that it is a fundamental difference between the BBC World and News 24 operations and the BBC One and BBC Two operations.
noggin
Founding member
Moz posted:
noggin posted:
the eye posted:
I respect your knowledge noggin but do you have to be so arrogant about it?
Apologies if it comes over as arrogance. It isn't meant to. As for knowledge - I rate experience over knowledge every time...
However there are times when people post ill-informed opinions, and make sweeping statements about subjects they - by the content of their statements - obviously have little knowledge of, or training in.
I do my best to correct misconceptions, and provide a bit of explanation and context, and actual decent technical and craft information. However sometimes the level of arrogance of people here takes my breath away...
I've lost count of the number of posts which suggest that posters here could do a better job than those doing it for real... If they could do a better job - why don't they do it rather than carping from the sidelines?
The nature of a forum such as this is that anyone can post anything irrespective of age, experience, knowledge etc. That is a great leveller - but also means that those with experience, training and knowledge of the industry are commenting in the same threads as those with little of any of these.
I do my best to post in a style (with explanation) that matches how I would discuss stuff with my colleagues - to do otherwise would be to patronise and condescend - and I don't feel that is appropriate.
If I'm to take part in a discussion in a thread I'm not going to let misconceptions and mistakes go uncorrected, and neither am I going to let sweeping statements, that I as a reasonably informed and experienced person working in the industry don't agree with, go unchallenged.
Hopefully some of my posts here have actually provided people with useful information.
Be interested to know how many people know what "racking" is...
I don't actually think you have to know anything at all about the industry, or how what appears on screen comes about, to know what you like, or notice.
Obviously you have an interest in the tech side because it's your job.
Don't make assumptions about my job!
I'm actually employed in a remarkably non-techy role at the moment...
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I don't. I just care what I see. Now if I see something that I don't like, then I may be interested in the tech part.
Absolutely - I don't disagree with that at all.
Everyone is welcome to their opinions as to what they like or don't like.
They are welcome to say they like the lighting on a certain show, or they dislike it.
Some people like certain styles of lighting - others like different styles of lighting.
However there are also some basic - pretty fundamental - areas where lighting can be objectively described as bad.
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You keep mentioning racking in your last few posts as if you're showing off that you know what it is and no-one else does, ner ner ner! I don't care what it is.
I'm just trying to explain that what you see on-screen isn't just a product of the lighting of the person and set - the racking of the cameras is also a major part of the picture you see at home - and people seldom consider this, or objectively separate the two.
The reason I stressed it is that it is a fundamental difference between the BBC World and News 24 operations and the BBC One and BBC Two operations.