A disappointing end to the football and then a few problems with the Ten, unsurprisingly. At least I got a smooth opt on network BBC One as opposed to the mess on N24, although this is understandable given the unknown finish time of the football.
Out of interest, why was it still called the Ten when it was no where near ten o' clock? Couldn't it be branded simply as BBC News.
Lets hope there is no breaking news, such as those missing home office disks being found, to mess things up.
How Strange..did you watch Sky News? They've got on their breaking news ticker: "Sky Sources: Counter terrorism police investgate discovery of Home Office computer disc"
Apparently in this case "Sky Sources" means the bloke from the computer shop calling up Sky News!
Out of interest, why was it still called the Ten when it was no where near ten o' clock? Couldn't it be branded simply as BBC News.
Historically it is still called the Ten as it has been delayed, rather than scheduled at a different time. I think that they would ditch the Ten branding if it started after 11pm - but if it was still 10-something it retains the branding.
Well that's not the ticket. I've been watching DVDs for the past hour or so and decided to watch News 24 at 11pm. I've just switched on to find them mid-way through the Ten O'Clock News. Do they not have any consideration for N24 viewers whatsoever? I've switched to Sky News now.
I couldn't agree more. You should be glad you didn't stay for the end as us News 24 viewers were told that "over on News 24... but here on BBC One..."!!!
I hope that the idiots that work for BBC News read this forum. It's a shocking way to treat your viewers. It would be so easy to find words that acknowledge that we are watching.
Does anyone have the email address of the editor of the Ten and the Six? I need to talk to them direct before they lose an entire network because of their stupid outdated bulletins.
BBC One audience for the Ten : 4,359,000
BBC News 24 audience for the Ten : 49,000
As nearly 100 times as many people are watching the BBC One bulletin as the BBC News 24 one it is understandable that they make it cleanest and most sensible for the 99% of viewers watching the programme on BBC than the 1% who are watching it on News 24...
I agree that a clearer form of words could be thought of - but equally if you even began to comprehend the amount of hard work that goes in to moving a bulletin between studios and getting a network bulletin on- and off-air cleanly whilst continunig to sustain a continuous news channel on News 24 you wouldn't be so critical.
Have you rung the information office (number in the Radio Times and on the BBC website) to register your views - that is the formal way of ensuring your comments are read by lots of BBC senior managers. These comments are widely read every day.
BBC One audience for the Ten : 4,359,000
BBC News 24 audience for the Ten : 49,000
As nearly 100 times as many people are watching the BBC One bulletin as the BBC News 24 one it is understandable that they make it cleanest and most sensible for the 99% of viewers watching the programme on BBC than the 1% who are watching it on News 24...
Oh come on Noggin, I usually respect your opinions, and certainly the inside knowledge that you bring to this forum, but what you're saying here is that just because many people don't watch, that the BBC doesn't care about them. If this is true, then this isn't the BBC that I want, and probably not a BBC most of it's staff want.
It doesn't cost anything, nor does it take anything away from BBC One viewers, to find some words to finish the bulletin that fit both channels. Something like, "Next on BBC News 24 all the sport, business and a newspaper review, while on BBC One the news where you are. Goodnight." - it's basically the removal of the words "over on" before News 24 and "here on" before BBC One.
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I agree that a clearer form of words could be thought of - but equally if you even began to comprehend the amount of hard work that goes in to moving a bulletin between studios and getting a network bulletin on- and off-air cleanly whilst continunig to sustain a continuous news channel on News 24 you wouldn't be so critical.
If it was just last night, then I would excuse the slip, but it's every bulletin that is simulcast.
It doesn't cost anything, nor does it take anything away from BBC One viewers, to find some words to finish the bulletin that fit both channels. Something like, "Next on BBC News 24 all the sport, business and a newspaper review, while on BBC One the news where you are. Goodnight." - it's basically the removal of the words "over on" before News 24 and "here on" before BBC One.
Havent heard this for ages. I can even remember they used to do it every night like this "The Ten O'clock news are continuous on BBC News 24 with tomorrow's papers and business round-up and in Sportsday at 10.30. Blah blah blah... And on BBC One I'll be back with the headlines after we join our newsteams where you are. Bye for now." LOL
I totally agree with Moz - this is not a tough work. If little changes can make things more sensible, why not?
I agree that a clearer form of words could be thought of - but equally if you even began to comprehend the amount of hard work that goes in to moving a bulletin between studios and getting a network bulletin on- and off-air cleanly whilst continunig to sustain a continuous news channel on News 24 you wouldn't be so critical.
If it was just last night, then I would excuse the slip, but it's every bulletin that is simulcast.
Last night was the first time for a long time that the Ten has been simulcast from News 24. It doesn't come from News 24 every night - until last night it was coming from a separate studio. However even since the move to a different studio the Ten has had far fewer facilities than it used to - as it is sharing one studio with Newsnight during pre-record and rehearsal time.
The problem with the current situation - where there isn't a BBC One-only closing headline sequence after the regional opt - is that they have to say three things without it turning into war and peace and a klunky bit of pres-speak :
Ten O'Clock News Hour continues on News 24.
Regional News is Next on BBC One
Good night from the Ten O'Clock news team.
Even writing those three down looks horribly klunky.
I do realise that there are people who think everything should be perfect for everyone - I was just stressing that there is an argument that compromising the show 99% are watching on BBC ONe for 1% of the audience watching on News 24 may not be an over-riding factor in the minds of the current production - who are working hard to just get the shows on-air at the moment in very difficult conditions.
Why not mention News 24 at the end of the bulletin, followed by a proper closing sequence with music. Then the regions can opt out from that like they used to do after the Nine. Then you get a smooth transition on News 24, BBC One viewers know they can turn over to News 24 if they want to see continuing coverage, and the regions don't get mentioned irrelevantly on News 24.
Why not mention News 24 at the end of the bulletin, followed by a proper closing sequence with music. Then the regions can opt out from that like they used to do after the Nine. Then you get a smooth transition on News 24, BBC One viewers know they can turn over to News 24 if they want to see continuing coverage, and the regions don't get mentioned irrelevantly on News 24.
Philip, go and stand in the corner! How dare you suggest that the BBC uses a proper closing sequence on its television bulletins. Don't you know that during a 7 second closing theme, millions of viewers switch off?!
Seriously, though, I completely agree with you. The dropping of the closing sequences across BBC TV News (including BBC World) has made all the output feel sloppy and disjointed. It no longer feels like a neat package as it used to. I don't see any reason why a closing theme cannot be used on the National News - those viewers who want to see the regional news will stay tuned regardless of what happens and anyone watching News
24
who thinks that with "goodnight" the channel is going off air is, frankly, not worthy of the BBC's concern. If ITV, Channel 4 and Five News can have closing sequences, why can't the BBC? If the supposed evidence that a significant number of viewers switch off during a closing theme is that convincing, why don't the other broadcasters do the same?
Completely agree they should have a closing sequence - and it could even be complete with their own style of ECP saying the regional news is next on BBC1, Newsnight on BBC2 and whatever follows on News 24.
I hope that the idiots that work for BBC News read this forum. It's a shocking way to treat your viewers. It would be so easy to find words that acknowledge that we are watching.
Does anyone have the email address of the editor of the Ten and the Six? I need to talk to them direct before they lose an entire network because of their stupid outdated bulletins.
Call the BBC comment line (look on the website for the number), or complain through the website, either by filling in the complaint form or on the Editors blog
I think it should be the same as it is now but with News 24 cutting out before the presenter says "on BBC ONE we join...".
i.e. The ten o'clock news hour continues on BBC NEWS 24 with more on the people who are angry about bananas.
(News 24 leave - sting is played on News 24 to go back to the studio).
Here on BBC ONE we join our regional news teams across the united kingdom. Goodbye!
