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NG
noggin Founding member
Moz posted:
noggin posted:
Moz posted:
Why do they need to rehearse anyway? News 24 don't rehearse - and yes sometimes it shows, but this adds to the feel of live news, something that wouldn't go amiss during the bulletins.


News 24 does very basic formulaic stuff, with the odd exceptions.

National bulletins are more ambitious - and rehearsal is needed for this. Even the headline sequences, with bongs in some places but not others (in theory the bong separates the stories from each other), up sound (which when News 24 use it in their headlines often goes wrong as a result of a lack of rehearsal) etc.

As others have stated, with the greater use of screens and graphics, and more live graphics with reporter interaction, including camera moves and clips of VT, rehearsal is required. News 24 doesn't have camera operators moving cameras around on the floor - and doesn't have to rehearse camera moves because it only does very basic ones that don't relate to elements in the studio. News 24 doesn't have a lighting director or vision operator, so there is no issue about optimising the lighting for each sequence - it is a fixed plot that is hugely compromised. Nationals do big screens with multiple graphics sources, VT clips, graphics that a reporter needs to be aware of and interact with etc., and the vision mixer and sound supervisor, as well as the lighting director and camera operator (s) need to know what is going on. Doing this without rehearsal can look very eggy...

So basically noggin you're saying that rehearsal is vital for the nationals - so how are they going to manage when News 24 is in N6?

EDIT: Ah - perhaps I've got it, and perhaps got the reason why the 6 is the only bulletin not to come from N6 - are News 24 going to run back half hour programmes at 12.30 and 21.30 to allow prep in N6? They can't run one at 17.30 as that's the Huws hour.


The One O'Clock News will soon be produced by News 24, not a separate production team, so I suspect will have production values closer to those of News 24 than BBC One.

As you have noted - the Six will be coming from a different studio, which will not be on-air in the run-up to transmission.

I'm sure there are plans for how News 24 will stay on-air in the run-up to the Ten...
MO
Moz
noggin posted:
I'm sure there are plans for how News 24 will stay on-air in the run-up to the Ten...

And I'm sure you know what those plans are! Wink
MD
mdtauk
Yea

9:00 - BBC News 24
9:30 - BBC World News America
10:00 - BBC News at Ten O'Clock
MO
Moz
martinDTanderson posted:
Yea

9:00 - BBC News 24
9:30 - BBC World News America
10:00 - BBC News at Ten O'Clock

How can they do that? WNA doesn't air til midnight our time.
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adamcobb55
I know we don't like fantasy schedules but maybe 30 minutes of BBC World News before the ten would do in a similar format to what they used to do at 09:30. Also doesn't World Business Report go out on BBC World at this time? Maybe they could use that.
BR
Brekkie
A sports bulletin would probably be the best option considering 2-3 nights a week it's around 9.30-10pm that the main football results are coming in.

Can't N24 just decamp to the second studio at 9pm, then clear out at 10pm for Newsnight to prepare?
CH
chris
Brekkie posted:
the second studio at 9pm, then clear out at 10pm for Newsnight to prepare?


1) Where's the second studio?

2) Why would News 24 need to move for Newsnight to prepare? They'll be in different studios.
BE
Ben Founding member
chris posted:
Brekkie posted:
the second studio at 9pm, then clear out at 10pm for Newsnight to prepare?


1) Where's the second studio?

2) Why would News 24 need to move for Newsnight to prepare? They'll be in different studios.


He means move News 24 into TC7 (Newsnight studio).
MD
mdtauk
Here is my N6 idea, for the national news (using my mock idea for the screens as a placeholder)

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3fullstudio.jpg

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea32presenters.jpg

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3deskwide.jpg

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3presenter1.jpg

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3presenter2.jpg

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3smlarea.jpg

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3report.jpg
ST
Stuart
Martin, these are excellent mocks, and I can see it working for N24. But all the national bulletins are now single-headed. Will the desk not look rather large for that?

I'd also got the impression (perhaps falsely) that they were heading for red and lots of white, although I understand the reasoning behind using the colours from your other mock.
NG
noggin Founding member
Very nicely rendered mocks - but where do you put the cameras to shoot that set - and how do you keep the reporters and presenters far enough away from the screens to be able to light them. It is important to consider these things - rather than designing in an "ideal world"?

When designing sets - even mocks - it is educational to think about how they would be used in reality.

Think about how the studio would be used for "down the line" interviews - and studio interviews. How would you place cameras to be able to get decent shots of presenters looking at guests, guests looking at presenters, presenters looking at screens etc.? Often the best way of looking at sets for this is to look at a plan view from above, putting in cameras, of a realistic size (including an operator) where you would need them to be to get decent close-ups.

How do you keep people you need to light far enough away from screens you have to keep light (and shadows) away from?

A lot of mocks here - are - sadly un-shootable, and un-lightable. Probably why they are mocks and not used in reality...

The mocks above wouldn't be practical. There is no way to shoot an interview on the "quarter of a circle" desk (nowhere to put guest cameras) and both presenters are far too close to the screens to be able to be lit properly.
MD
mdtauk
noggin posted:
Very nice mocks - but where do you put the cameras to shoot that set - and how do you keep the reporters and presenters far enough away from the screens to be able to light them. It is important to consider these things - rather than designing in an "ideal world">

When designing sets - even mocks - it is educational to think about how they would be used in reality.

Think about how the studio would be used for "down the line" interviews - and studio interviews. How would you place cameras to be able to get decent shots of presenters looking at guests, guests looking at presenters, presenters looking at screens etc.?

How do you keep people you need to light far enough away from screens you have to keep light (and shadows) away from?

A lot of mocks here - are - sadly un-shootable, and un-lightable. Probably why they are mocks and not used in reality...


Well I wouldn't count myself as even a beginner of set design, but I have used some warped lenses to make them appear closer to the screens than they are...

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/n6idea3top.jpg

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