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itsrobert Founding member
I wouldn't call press/news conferences 'not vitally important'. They are hugely important. They are, after all, where a significant proportion of news originates from, be it the PM holding a press conference or the police holding one for a muder inquiry. The whole idea of News 24 is to provide a platform which is flexible enough to carry such raw material. It never has been a channel where the aim is to carry bulletins of news on a loop all day long. The very nature of it is to be able to handle breaking news and lives. I don't know how people can argue that the amalgamation of N24 and Nationals isn't going to impact upon N24's service. It clearly is. They can get away with it now because they have two galleries, but come March/April, they won't.
DU
Dunedin
Davidjb posted:
itsrobert posted:
I may be wrong but I doubt that it would be technically possible for N8's gallery to output both the conference and the One O'Clock News on separate channels. N8 doesn't have a presentation suite (like BBC World does) - it's all rolled into one. I'm willing to be corrected, though, from someone in the know.


Your spot on. N8 can only output one channel/program at a time, it's not possible to split. N8 can produce the 1 if somewhere else picks up News 24 (although this requires a re-route for News 24 in the transmission suite). It has been done before where News 24 was on location for the duration of the 1 and N8 produced the 1.


Forgive me if I sound patronising, but how exactly did they cope with putting the conference on BBCi?

That's all I'm suggesting- having the conference on News 24 using a feed they could quite happily prepare for BBCi and crashing into the One at the conclusion of the conference. It really can't be that hard.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Dunedin posted:
Davidjb posted:
itsrobert posted:
I may be wrong but I doubt that it would be technically possible for N8's gallery to output both the conference and the One O'Clock News on separate channels. N8 doesn't have a presentation suite (like BBC World does) - it's all rolled into one. I'm willing to be corrected, though, from someone in the know.


Your spot on. N8 can only output one channel/program at a time, it's not possible to split. N8 can produce the 1 if somewhere else picks up News 24 (although this requires a re-route for News 24 in the transmission suite). It has been done before where News 24 was on location for the duration of the 1 and N8 produced the 1.


Forgive me if I sound patronising, but how exactly did they cope with putting the conference on BBCi?

That's all I'm suggesting- having the conference on News 24 using a feed they could quite happily prepare for BBCi and crashing into the One at the conclusion of the conference. It really can't be that hard.


Probably because it went through the interactive gallery. You're missing the point with regards to N8. It doesn't have a separate presentation gallery in addition to a news gallery - they're rolled into one. Whatever is being fed through N8 would have to go out on News 24 - the gallery can't output two different things to two different channels simultaneously.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Dunedin posted:
Davidjb posted:
itsrobert posted:
I may be wrong but I doubt that it would be technically possible for N8's gallery to output both the conference and the One O'Clock News on separate channels. N8 doesn't have a presentation suite (like BBC World does) - it's all rolled into one. I'm willing to be corrected, though, from someone in the know.


Your spot on. N8 can only output one channel/program at a time, it's not possible to split. N8 can produce the 1 if somewhere else picks up News 24 (although this requires a re-route for News 24 in the transmission suite). It has been done before where News 24 was on location for the duration of the 1 and N8 produced the 1.


Forgive me if I sound patronising, but how exactly did they cope with putting the conference on BBCi?

That's all I'm suggesting- having the conference on News 24 using a feed they could quite happily prepare for BBCi and crashing into the One at the conclusion of the conference. It really can't be that hard.


BBCi is completely seperate from News 24, it has its own staff & production area. The problem with showing it on News 24 is that the News 24 studio and gallery are being used to produce the 1. There is no easy way of seperating the two platforms with the current set up. If the 1 was in N6 then of course no problem as N8 can just roll on. You can't just dump News 24 off to another area at the flick of a switch it takes time and planning to do it right. If they knew well in advance that a news conference may clash and they felt it worthy of staying seperate they can prepare for it but only if they have enough notice. A lot of news conferences happen with only an hour or less notice these days which doesnt give time for all what you are suggesting.
LO
looknorth
gregmc posted:
All I can say is lets hope News 24 returns to a newsroom setting when they move to Broadcasting House in 2010/2012 whatever the date is these days.


I dont see why they are putting world in N8 its not really a rolling news channel and dosent need to be in a decent newsroom setting, N24 would be much better staying there with nationals moving in ,sure it must be more expensive in the long term to run screens 24/7 inseted of a glass wall plus re-furbishing why dont world/N24 stay were they are and N6 closes then no mojor studio overhauls are needed. Idea
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fanoftv
noggin posted:
fanoftv posted:
martinDTanderson posted:
During Breakfast and early News 24, the national's desk would be replaced with a Sofa and Coffee Table, News 24 would make use of it, and cover softer items in the early time, then for the 1 O'Clock the sofa will be replaced by the desk, and News 24's agenda will follow on from the 1 bulletin's without the sofa.


Will Breakfast be coming from TC8 again, or will it be staying in TC7, and again, would there be room and the staff to change around the studio?


TC8 is the HD-capable studio where they make sitcoms and shows like Goldenballs. Don't think many news programmes have ever come from there, apart possibly from Breakfast with Frost or On The Record when their normal home was unavailable...


Apologies, I obviously meant N6 as I was doing more than one thing at the time. Sorry once again.
DD
DarkestDreams
The BBC would have a front page in the Mail if they did that looknorth

BBC SPENDS TAXPAYERS MONEY ON STUDIO THAT WILL NEVER BE USED

but in truth, it would be a better idea, then they can use the pods etc and stay in the newsroom
IT
itsrobert Founding member
looknorth posted:
gregmc posted:
All I can say is lets hope News 24 returns to a newsroom setting when they move to Broadcasting House in 2010/2012 whatever the date is these days.


I dont see why they are putting world in N8 its not really a rolling news channel and dosent need to be in a decent newsroom setting, N24 would be much better staying there with nationals moving in ,sure it must be more expensive in the long term to run screens 24/7 inseted of a glass wall plus re-furbishing why dont world/N24 stay were they are and N6 closes then no mojor studio overhauls are needed. Idea


Most probably because N6 is a proper television studio rather than converted office space like N8 and N9. I spoke to several people who work everyday on BBC World in N9 and they said they hate it with a passion. There aren't any windows whatsoever and therefore is completely artificially lit. It's quite a dark and dingy place which I can imagine is not very pleasant to work in. N8, on the other hand, is in the middle of the News Centre, is a lot more spacious and has some natural light. If they have to close one of them the most sensible option is definitely N9.
DD
DarkestDreams
So why not put world in N6? this frees up N9 (the whole point of this massive exercise) and gives the Nationals a place to go (NCool
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dosxuk
Most probably because N6 is a proper television studio rather than converted office space like N8 and N9.

Remember the nationals are among the most presitgous programmes in the UK, broadcasting them from a bit of office space with no proper broadcast facilities is not really suited to them.

Freeing up N9 is not the entire point of this work. Cutting costs, staffing while improving the output is why it's being done. Naturally, those three aims are not entirely compaitable and things will have to change.
ST
Stuart
Why not have WORLD and the Nationals in N6, leaving N24 where they are.

WORLD doesn't run as a 24/7 operation, and broadcasts other programmes more often than N24. For the first 30mins at 1, 6 and 10 they could run a recorded programme.

They could still make the savings envisaged by mothballing N9.
EY
the eye
StuartPlymouth posted:
Why not have WORLD and the Nationals in N6, leaving N24 where they are.


No thanks.

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